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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Nov 22, 2010 12:15:42 GMT
This was an article in yesterday's mail on sunday (wasn't mine..my mother buys it).
RNLI is top of charity donation league...MIND is bottom. (Will search for link later...)
I found this quite shocking. As much as I appreciate what the lifeboats do, I dare say more people are affected either directly or indirectly by mental health problems than would ever require assistance from the RNLI.
The future of mental health services in the UK are in jeopardy, with many cuts already in place and successive government's not doing enough to maintain mental health services the length and breadth.
Alcoholism, drug addiction, unemployment and poverty can all lead to acute mental illness, and we do have currently 1 million people claiming long term benefits who do have a myriad of mental health issues which have been neglected or mostly ignored.
Under government cutbacks the problem is going to get worse of course, despite Iain Duncan Smith's fantasist vision of zero unemployment and the long term mentally sick waltzing back into the world of work.
But collectively we are seemingly far more concerned about a few lifeboat men and the odd rescue mission to save some distressed person or persons at sea.
I await your scorn and attacks of my apparent disrespect toward our nation's lifeboat men. Every man jack of them I am sure are wonderful, but why is it we appear so lacking in charity and compassion toward the most vulnerable people in society?
Each and every one of us are far more likely to suffer mental breakdown than getting into difficulties on the high seas.
I just find our priorities curious and disturbing.
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Post by trubble on Nov 22, 2010 12:26:09 GMT
There must be several charities tackling the various issues attached to mental health but there is only one lifeboat service, and as far as I know it is totally funded by charity (including government charitable donations).
Certainly there are many charities and campaigns that deal with 'vulnerable' people of all types. If you tot up them all up, or even tot up the support of just the charities dealing with mental health, I expect you'd find they far exceed donations to the Lifeboat appeals.
I think we all donate to the causes and campaigns that touch our lives somehow. An island nation is surely terribly aware of sea rescues and dangers, and I bet you'll find that those nearest the sea donate the most.
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Post by jean on Nov 22, 2010 12:39:28 GMT
There's no collective 'we' that makes collective decisions. about this sort of thing.
And when we are making our individual decisions about which charities to give money to, we don't necessarily know what individual decisions other individuals will be making.
(We know now though, and will adjust our giving patterns accordingly.)
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Post by Weyland on Nov 22, 2010 12:40:21 GMT
There must be several charities tackling the various issues attached to mental health but there is only one lifeboat service, and as far as I know it is totally funded by charity (including government charitable donations). Good point. I was amazed to discover that the RNLI covers Ireland as well, and there's collecting boxes there to match. Makes sense, of course. |
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Nov 22, 2010 12:46:55 GMT
There must be several charities tackling the various issues attached to mental health but there is only one lifeboat service, and as far as I know it is totally funded by charity (including government charitable donations). Certainly there are many charities and campaigns that deal with 'vulnerable' people of all types. If you tot up them all up, or even tot up the support of just the charities dealing with mental health, I expect you'd find they far exceed donations to the Lifeboat appeals. I think we all donate to the causes and campaigns that touch our lives somehow. An island nation is surely terribly aware of sea rescues and dangers, and I bet you'll find that those nearest the sea donate the most. Perhaps true, but I fear not. I fear that the general public are far more likely to be stupid. Another example being the RSPCA receiving far more in donations than the NSPCC. Incredible! As much as I love our furry friends. |
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Post by jean on Nov 22, 2010 13:09:20 GMT
I was amazed to discover that the RNLI covers Ireland as well... Even more remarkable, the still-extant RDS exists only in Ireland. |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 22, 2010 13:52:29 GMT
There must be several charities tackling the various issues attached to mental health but there is only one lifeboat service, and as far as I know it is totally funded by charity (including government charitable donations). Certainly there are many charities and campaigns that deal with 'vulnerable' people of all types. If you tot up them all up, or even tot up the support of just the charities dealing with mental health, I expect you'd find they far exceed donations to the Lifeboat appeals. I think we all donate to the causes and campaigns that touch our lives somehow. An island nation is surely terribly aware of sea rescues and dangers, and I bet you'll find that those nearest the sea donate the most. Perhaps true, but I fear not. I fear that the general public are far more likely to be stupid. Another example being the RSPCA receiving far more in donations than the NSPCC. Incredible! As much as I love our furry friends. The difference is that cruelty towards children is nearly always illegal, and heavily punished, while cruelty towards animals is often legal and even when not hardly punished. Children have lots of govt bodies to stop cruelty; animals hardly have anything. Animal charities overall are donated a very small percentage of the amount given to human charities. |
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Post by everso on Nov 22, 2010 14:03:07 GMT
This was an article in yesterday's mail on sunday (wasn't mine..my mother buys it). RNLI is top of charity donation league...MIND is bottom. (Will search for link later...) I found this quite shocking. As much as I appreciate what the lifeboats do, I dare say more people are affected either directly or indirectly by mental health problems than would ever require assistance from the RNLI. The future of mental health services in the UK are in jeopardy, with many cuts already in place and successive government's not doing enough to maintain mental health services the length and breadth. Alcoholism, drug addiction, unemployment and poverty can all lead to acute mental illness, and we do have currently 1 million people claiming long term benefits who do have a myriad of mental health issues which have been neglected or mostly ignored. Under government cutbacks the problem is going to get worse of course, despite Iain Duncan Smith's fantasist vision of zero unemployment and the long term mentally sick waltzing back into the world of work. But collectively we are seemingly far more concerned about a few lifeboat men and the odd rescue mission to save some distressed person or persons at sea. I await your scorn and attacks of my apparent disrespect toward our nation's lifeboat men. Every man jack of them I am sure are wonderful, but why is it we appear so lacking in charity and compassion toward the most vulnerable people in society? Each and every one of us are far more likely to suffer mental breakdown than getting into difficulties on the high seas. I just find our priorities curious and disturbing.  Don't be ashamed Chris. Come out of the closet. My daughter assures me she's a Guardian and Independent gal, but I have a photograph on my Facebook account of her avidly reading the Daily Mail. Charity donations? I'm with Trubbs. I give to the RNLI, RNIB, Royal British Legion and the Burma Star Association. Also, various cancer charities as and when they're having a "day". |
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Nov 22, 2010 14:21:49 GMT
This was an article in yesterday's mail on sunday (wasn't mine..my mother buys it). RNLI is top of charity donation league...MIND is bottom. (Will search for link later...) I found this quite shocking. As much as I appreciate what the lifeboats do, I dare say more people are affected either directly or indirectly by mental health problems than would ever require assistance from the RNLI. The future of mental health services in the UK are in jeopardy, with many cuts already in place and successive government's not doing enough to maintain mental health services the length and breadth. Alcoholism, drug addiction, unemployment and poverty can all lead to acute mental illness, and we do have currently 1 million people claiming long term benefits who do have a myriad of mental health issues which have been neglected or mostly ignored. Under government cutbacks the problem is going to get worse of course, despite Iain Duncan Smith's fantasist vision of zero unemployment and the long term mentally sick waltzing back into the world of work. But collectively we are seemingly far more concerned about a few lifeboat men and the odd rescue mission to save some distressed person or persons at sea. I await your scorn and attacks of my apparent disrespect toward our nation's lifeboat men. Every man jack of them I am sure are wonderful, but why is it we appear so lacking in charity and compassion toward the most vulnerable people in society? Each and every one of us are far more likely to suffer mental breakdown than getting into difficulties on the high seas. I just find our priorities curious and disturbing. Don't be ashamed Chris. Come out of the closet. My daughter assures me she's a Guardian and Independent gal, but I have a photograph on my Facebook account of her avidly reading the Daily Mail. Charity donations? I'm with Trubbs. I give to the RNLI, RNIB, Royal British Legion and the Burma Star Association. Also, various cancer charities as and when they're having a "day".  I should add I wasn't reading it either. I was using it to mop up some oil I'd spilled when I noticed the article. I would never actually sit and read it.  The Live magazine I quite enjoy though. Not that I read it.   It's not my fault my mother is a huge fluffy haired idiot. A nice one though.  |
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Post by sesley on Nov 22, 2010 15:57:54 GMT
People give to charitys that mean something personnel to them. Its a shame Mind gets missed out,which probably falls next to the Age concern one too for bottom of the giving list. All the appeal ads on tv are for either animals or children home and abraod. Never see them for old and people with mental illness's. Mental illness's are rather a thing to be kept quiet and hidden,The stigma attached to mental illness is probably alongside alcoholism and drug abuse. With the economic crisis and budget cuts the up in numbers of depression and drug and drink abuse will increase sadly.
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Nov 22, 2010 16:25:55 GMT
People give to charitys that mean something personnel to them. Its a shame Mind gets missed out,which probably falls next to the Age concern one too for bottom of the giving list. All the appeal ads on tv are for either animals or children home and abraod. Never see them for old and people with mental illness's. Mental illness's are rather a thing to be kept quiet and hidden,The stigma attached to mental illness is probably alongside alcoholism and drug abuse. With the economic crisis and budget cuts the up in numbers of depression and drug and drink abuse will increase sadly. My point being Sesley that I don't feel people do 'give' from the heart of something personal. I feel they give to what it's fashionable to give to. As much as I love our furry cousins, I can't get my head round that the RSPCA receive more donations than the NSPCC. |
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Post by everso on Nov 22, 2010 17:11:58 GMT
People give to charitys that mean something personnel to them. Its a shame Mind gets missed out,which probably falls next to the Age concern one too for bottom of the giving list. All the appeal ads on tv are for either animals or children home and abraod. Never see them for old and people with mental illness's. Mental illness's are rather a thing to be kept quiet and hidden,The stigma attached to mental illness is probably alongside alcoholism and drug abuse. With the economic crisis and budget cuts the up in numbers of depression and drug and drink abuse will increase sadly. My point being Sesley that I don't feel people do 'give' from the heart of something personal. I feel they give to what it's fashionable to give to. As much as I love our furry cousins, I can't get my head round that the RSPCA receive more donations than the NSPCC. I'm not sure I agree there, Chris. Maybe they give because those particular charities are well advertised and possibly because celebrities represent them, but I wouldn't say fashion comes into it. I don't think the RNLI is 'fashionable'. Interesting to note that the RSPCA is a royal institution and the NSPCC is a national one! Whichever charity a person gives to (and, as Sesley said, it's usually a personal thing) who's to say that one is more important than another? Children's charities, cancer research, heart foundation, animal charities, mental health charities - they're all important. |
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Post by Patrick on Nov 22, 2010 17:35:17 GMT
I've always thought the RNLI ought to have more Government funding. It's such a cop out. Another "Taken for Granted" Rescue service is the mountain rescue in Cumbria - also funded by donation they were really taken advantage of during the floods last year - and last report was their bank balance was drained as a result. You honestly would have thought that under exceptional circumstances, a bit of Government funding would go their way.
Another charity that does very well is Breast Cancer - compared, that is to Testicular for instance. The RSPCA is another one that's rolling in it and it is questionable with them how much they let filter down to the front line - not as much as they could some would say.
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 22, 2010 18:08:43 GMT
The marketing for the breast cancer mob has been amazing though. They have managed to associate a colour (pink) in the public mind with their cause . . all that 'think pink', and people having pink parties to raise funds and stuff. Absolutely amazing marketing. I tip my hat to them.
I give to Shelter, because i used to work for them and I wanted them to keep sending me stuff so I would know what was going on.
I have a long-standing so to Amnesty (I think - it's been years since I thought about it, so I assume it's ongoing.)
However, I only give Shelter and AMnesty a couple of quid each a month, so they've both stopped mailing me - presumably it's not a good use of their funds given my level of donation.
Recently I decided in a crazy moment to donate a similar amount to Water Aid. I was sitting one night casually pondering a life without access to fresh water And I liked the cut of their jib.
And, of course, I raised about £600 for a local cancer charity on my10 mile night hike in September.
I also have standing orders to the SNP and to the Humanist Society.
I do support heritage charities too, but mainly by going to see their buildings and buying things in their gift shops. I like heritage.
I'm afraid I refuse to support ANY animal charities - I think we in the UK are entirely too sentimental about animals. Of course, cruelty to animals should be considered a crime and punished accordingly. But I don't equate animal life to human life. I am very unsentimental about animals. If a stray cat has a litter of kittens, for example, I would support humanely putting down the whole lot of them. Shout at me all you like about it; you won't change my mind.
I do love the lifeboats 'though. All those rugged men running half-dressed into the sea to save lives. It fair gets a girl's heart abeating!
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Post by everso on Nov 22, 2010 18:21:59 GMT
I've always thought the RNLI ought to have more Government funding. It's such a cop out. Another "Taken for Granted" Rescue service is the mountain rescue in Cumbria - also funded by donation they were really taken advantage of during the floods last year - and last report was their bank balance was drained as a result. You honestly would have thought that under exceptional circumstances, a bit of Government funding would go their way. Another charity that does very well is Breast Cancer - compared, that is to Testicular for instance. The RSPCA is another one that's rolling in it and it is questionable with them how much they let filter down to the front line - not as much as they could some would say. A popular one with women definitely. |
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Post by everso on Nov 22, 2010 18:35:16 GMT
The marketing for the breast cancer mob has been amazing though. They have managed to associate a colour (pink) in the public mind with their cause . . all that 'think pink', and people having pink parties to raise funds and stuff. Absolutely amazing marketing. I tip my hat to them. I give to Shelter, because i used to work for them and I wanted them to keep sending me stuff so I would know what was going on. I have a long-standing so to Amnesty (I think - it's been years since I thought about it, so I assume it's ongoing.) However, I only give Shelter and AMnesty a couple of quid each a month, so they've both stopped mailing me - presumably it's not a good use of their funds given my level of donation. Recently I decided in a crazy moment to donate a similar amount to Water Aid. I was sitting one night casually pondering a life without access to fresh water And I liked the cut of their jib. And, of course, I raised about £600 for a local cancer charity on my10 mile night hike in September. I also have standing orders to the SNP and to the Humanist Society. I do support heritage charities too, but mainly by going to see their buildings and buying things in their gift shops. I like heritage. I'm afraid I refuse to support ANY animal charities - I think we in the UK are entirely too sentimental about animals. Of course, cruelty to animals should be considered a crime and punished accordingly. But I don't equate animal life to human life. I am very unsentimental about animals. If a stray cat has a litter of kittens, for example, I would support humanely putting down the whole lot of them. Shout at me all you like about it; you won't change my mind.I do love the lifeboats 'though. All those rugged men running half-dressed into the sea to save lives. It fair gets a girl's heart abeating! No, I won't shout at you, Riot. I agree actually. I love animals and, as you say, cruelty to animals should be punished accordingly, but I don't understand people who treat animals as if they were human babies or children. I think cats are the business, but they are cats and they don't possess human traits at all. I love them for what they are - one step away from the wild. |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 22, 2010 18:46:03 GMT
I love them for what they are - one step away from the wild. Steady on, Ev. I predict that Costy will come over all Costal when he sees that, and get an attack of the vapours. (It's only the North Sea that's stopping me.) |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 22, 2010 18:54:07 GMT
I don't think many people do, really. People will pretend to (we do) but they mostly know that cats aren't human.
I give mainly to animal charities. We use animals too much, and we owe them. Also, disadvantaged humans get help through taxes (though probably not enough). Animals only get help through charity, and not much there either.
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Post by Patrick on Nov 22, 2010 18:54:57 GMT
Any fans of "Chuggers" here? The "Charity Mugger"? Usually found in pedestrian areas and usually recruited from local universities - there to sign you up to multiple direct debits for their nominated concern. We get a couple a month knocking on the front door! Damn! it's annoying!
Usual response is that we already regularly give via "Give as you earn" which is something that Best Beloved used to do with her old employer. That usually shuts them up - though one or two still try and get you to sign up for extra. The other good one is - "You've got a website haven't you? I'll take a look later and sign up then......."
Grrrrr!
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Post by Patrick on Nov 22, 2010 18:58:33 GMT
I don't think many people do, really. People will pretend to (we do) but they mostly know that cats aren't human. I give mainly to animal charities. We use animals too much, and we owe them. Also, disadvantaged humans get help through taxes (though probably not enough). Animals only get help through charity, and not much there either. Best Beloved's attitude is that humans can help themselves - Animals can't. So human charities get left out in the main. Saying that though, we bought everyone of our relatives a fabulous "local" Calendar a couple of years ago (about 10) as our "local" branch of the RNLI needed a Garage to be built for their hovercraft. It helps when there's a bit of local need. Wouldn't give to the RSPCA though - they're a bit rubbish |
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I should add I wasn't reading it either. I was using it to mop up some oil I'd spilled when I noticed the article.
