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Post by everso on Dec 2, 2010 11:28:35 GMT
BTW I didn't mean to type the drinking man - Dan is "helping" me on the computer and he likes to put in the little smilies.  Dan did that too |
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Post by trubble on Dec 2, 2010 11:30:15 GMT
BTW I didn't mean to type the drinking man - Dan is "helping" me on the computer and he likes to put in the little smilies. Dan did that too   |
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Post by trubble on Dec 2, 2010 11:34:17 GMT
 Glad you agree Trubbs. I've loved Juliet Stevenson ever since "Truly Madly Deeply" She was brilliant in that, as was Alan Rickman. And I'm glad you agree! Now we just need to check whether Jean is on the same page or if she will be obstinate. It's worth watching for the achey-throaty. If it wasn't for the excellence of the actors, it would have been a bit silly. But... well, silly as I am, this is one of the things - top of my list really - that makes Britain great. The British can act. |
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Post by Patrick on Dec 2, 2010 13:08:09 GMT
Juliet Stevenson (one of my favourite actresses) was truly, madly, deeply brilliant; but we already knew this about her. Her screen husband, Peter Capaldi, was just as good! I wasn't expecting that. I heard she "Gave Good Blub" again.*  *Refers to an interview she gave once talking about her acting career where and mentioned that she's sometimes chosen for roles for her ability to "Give Good Blub". Which I quite liked. |
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Post by trubble on Dec 7, 2010 14:27:59 GMT
No leaking plot on this week's one please.
I have not seen it yet.
YET!
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Post by jean on Dec 20, 2010 22:41:39 GMT
Did anyone see this week's?
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Post by everso on Dec 21, 2010 9:41:22 GMT
It was the last one - yes I watched it. I like the fact that you tend to start off by seeing one person's viewpoint, only to see it from another perspective later on.
I felt a bit drawn both ways last night. What about you Jean?
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Post by jean on Dec 21, 2010 11:43:41 GMT
I think the problem with all of these is that they're only an hour long, and however good the actors you just don't get the situations in depth.
That said, whatever the woman did (and I didn't think much of it but more important, I really did not see enough of her marriage to understand why she'd done it anyway) but that did not excuse what the husband did - and none of it was really anything to do with what the bent policeman father-in-law did (which he obviously did on a regular basis anyway) which took it into the realms of melodrama.
The courtroom twist at the end was good, though. But the various strands of the story weren't sufficiently well linked.
(Anyone waiting to see it, or can I say more?)
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Post by aubrey on Dec 25, 2010 8:04:09 GMT
I saw a thing where Jimmy McGovern was saying that serious, real life drama has to be set in contemporary times, otherwise it's just escapism.
I think that's bollocks; and I also think that The Accused is just as escapist as any costume drama or SF.
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Post by trubble on Dec 27, 2010 8:21:16 GMT
I thought the whole series was class. Quall. It. Ee.
Jean, please say more.
Aubrey, there's an argument that all fiction is escapism, but at least if it's set in contemporary times, and recognisable situations, as this is, it must by default be somewhat realistic; otherwise you'd just get Jean and Everso cross.
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Post by jean on Dec 27, 2010 10:46:42 GMT
I think the comments I made about the last one are all I've got to say unless someone comes in with another view.
I did have more to say about the one with Juliet Stevenson in it, but I'll have to remember what it was.
I didn't see the others.
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Post by everso on Dec 27, 2010 12:22:46 GMT
I thought the whole series was class. Quall. It. Ee. Jean, please say more. Aubrey, there's an argument that all fiction is escapism, but at least if it's set in contemporary times, and recognisable situations, as this is, it must by default be somewhat realistic; otherwise you'd just get Jean and Everso cross. Yes. |
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Post by Weyland on Dec 27, 2010 12:37:27 GMT
otherwise you'd just get Jean and Everso cross. Yes.[/quote] Surely there's a couple of words missing: "otherwise you'd just get Jean and Everso ever so cross". |
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Post by aubrey on Dec 27, 2010 19:31:50 GMT
I thought the whole series was class. Quall. It. Ee. Jean, please say more. Aubrey, there's an argument that all fiction is escapism, but at least if it's set in contemporary times, and recognisable situations, as this is, it must by default be somewhat realistic; otherwise you'd just get Jean and Everso cross. Sometimes; but often stuff set in contemporary times is not realistic at all, in that people don't behave like that. Stuff set in the past and the future can be just as realistic, on this level, as any contemporary drama. This was my beef with McGovern. And the way he was saying: The way I do it is right, and the way other people do it is wrong, and everyone ought to do it like I do it.A hell of a lot of non fiction is escapism as well. Historical drama that is serious and realistic: Danton;and Come and See.Bladerunner is a good eg of a future one; so is Strange Days.Contemporary drama that is not realistic (but is good fun): Terrifying Girls' High School: Lynch Law Classroom.Contemporary drama is a lot cheaper to film. |
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Post by trubble on Dec 28, 2010 19:02:09 GMT
I suspect McGovern is just talking about what he knows rather than giving a rounded and balanced opinion - biased in some respects. Everyone does that, it's sometimes all anyone can do.
He says about Brookside: "And that's how I started to find a voice. And I think finding a voice isn't finding a voice, it's finding the things you can do and do well."
I think creative people often just find something they can do -- rather than choose an art form, it chooses them. I've discussed this a little with several people in various fields and they all seem to agree that the form finds you rather than the other way around.
And then that thing becomes more worthwhile than other things because they become immersed in it, and it becomes the only thing they can really speak confidently about. And they are naturally defensive of it.
I doubt that McGovern truly would argue that sci-fi is not realism.
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Post by aubrey on Dec 28, 2010 20:14:11 GMT
That's fair.
E Waugh did something of the same by saying that writers should not go into characters' heads. he thought this because he was so bad at it himself.
But Beethoven was envious of the way the Schubert could write songs - he did not think that songs were a lesser art from because he could not do them well.
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