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Post by Weyland on May 25, 2011 10:02:36 GMT
Interesting article, especially this: " An alliance, on the basis of an exactly defined programme, with the progressive Liberals, I.L.P. and Communist Party, as distinct from a shabby vote-catching agreement between leaders - is a preliminary step towards the only form of Popular Front worth voting for. Apart from a People's Front, what indeed is there to hope for in the political future? And without it, what hope of averting the eventual triumph of reaction by the default of the Labour Party?" I note that she lived to witness that final triumph of reaction in 1979. I'd heard her name, but that's all. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on May 27, 2011 16:15:42 GMT
Indeed. Read a similar story a few years ago about some Swedish "modern liberal dick heads" who were raisng their child to be "genderless"...sometimes dressing it as a girl, other times as a boy...the poor thing was called "pop" or something. Seriously...these people are using their kids as social experiments. It's obscene.  AH |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on May 27, 2011 16:19:57 GMT
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Post by riotgrrl on May 27, 2011 16:39:39 GMT
Indeed. Read a similar story a few years ago about some Swedish "modern liberal dick heads" who were raisng their child to be "genderless"...sometimes dressing it as a girl, other times as a boy...the poor thing was called "pop" or something. Seriously...these people are using their kids as social experiments. It's obscene. AH How's it signficantly different from parents who raise their children in particular faith? |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on May 27, 2011 16:53:18 GMT
Indeed. Read a similar story a few years ago about some Swedish "modern liberal dick heads" who were raisng their child to be "genderless"...sometimes dressing it as a girl, other times as a boy...the poor thing was called "pop" or something. Seriously...these people are using their kids as social experiments. It's obscene. AH How's it signficantly different from parents who raise their children in particular faith? You are totally comparing apples and oranges there RG. Wait until pop is charged with inapropriate behaviour for trying to use the wrong toilets or doing some other weird stuff because it's mummy and daddy fucked it up and it doesn't know if it's arthur or martha. Or the joyful day when the kids at school decide to use force to confirm what gender "it "is and traumatise the poor kid And there is another thing, this child is an "it", not a little boy or girl, just a genderless being...way to dehumanise your kid Swedish morons! AH |
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Post by jean on May 27, 2011 17:43:25 GMT
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Post by Weyland on May 27, 2011 17:55:45 GMT
Indeed. Read a similar story a few years ago about some Swedish "modern liberal dick heads" who were raisng their child to be "genderless"...sometimes dressing it as a girl, other times as a boy...the poor thing was called "pop" or something. Seriously...these people are using their kids as social experiments. It's obscene. AH How's it signficantly different from parents who raise their children in particular faith? Religious faith is concerned with fiction. One's sex is not. (At least not necessarily.) |
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Post by housesparrow on May 27, 2011 18:34:16 GMT
Bringing a child up to a particular faith is no worse than the "Babies Against the Bomb" campaign (1980s) when the poor little blighters were made to carry banners abut something they couldn't hope to understand.
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Post by everso on May 28, 2011 20:04:40 GMT
Actually, it's rather interesting to watch how little boys act (and little girls too). How you can bring a little boy up and not give him guns or anything, but how he can get hold of two of his sister's dolls and make them fight. My son did this one day, right out of the blue, (he was about 5) and there and then I knew that boys were boys and girls were girls.  |
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Post by aubrey on May 29, 2011 10:44:36 GMT
As long as they were only fighting. Otherwise we're in real trouble.
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Post by housesparrow on May 29, 2011 11:21:10 GMT
One brother-in-lae and wife brought their children up on an island without supermarkets or advertising billboards. They too decided to avoid gender stereotypes and poor old MIL got into hot water by buying their first-born - a girl - a toy cooker. She was dressed as a baby in dungarees, but throughout her childhood was fixated on princesses.
They did have a television however, and unless Storm's family remains isolated from the media, the images will be there.
Like Eve I believe that genes rule and that girls will be girls
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Post by riotgrrl on May 29, 2011 15:26:32 GMT
One brother-in-lae and wife brought their children up on an island without supermarkets or advertising billboards. They too decided to avoid gender stereotypes and poor old MIL got into hot water by buying their first-born - a girl - a toy cooker. She was dressed as a baby in dungarees, but throughout her childhood was fixated on princesses. They did have a television however, and unless Storm's family remains isolated from the media, the images will be there. Like Eve I believe that genes rule and that girls will be girls I disagree with you fundamentally. Sure, 'girls will be girls' in our society and there's not a lot any parent can do to stop it. But I'd say it's because of the strength of the social construct of 'girls' rather than because of genetic predisposition. |
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Post by riotgrrl on May 29, 2011 15:27:46 GMT
Interestingly, my grandson is now 4 weeks old. And already we use social constructs of masculinity around him 'he's a brave wee soldier', and stuff like that.
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Post by everso on May 29, 2011 20:38:00 GMT
Interestingly, my grandson is now 4 weeks old. And already we use social constructs of masculinity around him 'he's a brave wee soldier', and stuff like that. Yeah. Just wait till he bashes you over the head with his rattle. |
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Post by riotgrrl on May 29, 2011 20:53:51 GMT
Interestingly, my grandson is now 4 weeks old. And already we use social constructs of masculinity around him 'he's a brave wee soldier', and stuff like that. Yeah. Just wait till he bashes you over the head with his rattle. He doesn't have a rattle! He has an Adidas tracksuit and training shoes just waiting for him to grow into, not to mention Timberland boots and converse. He has another couple of tracksuits. He has the step for the toilet to step up to. He has a three door wardrobe with everything sorted by age . . . but he has no rattle. Oh. |
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Post by everso on May 29, 2011 22:24:29 GMT
Yeah. Just wait till he bashes you over the head with his rattle. He doesn't have a rattle! He has an Adidas tracksuit and training shoes just waiting for him to grow into, not to mention Timberland boots and converse. He has another couple of tracksuits. He has the step for the toilet to step up to. He has a three door wardrobe with everything sorted by age . . . but he has no rattle. Oh. Does he have a denim jacket yet? Or tiny little jeans? |
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Post by housesparrow on May 30, 2011 10:39:41 GMT
One brother-in-lae and wife brought their children up on an island without supermarkets or advertising billboards. They too decided to avoid gender stereotypes and poor old MIL got into hot water by buying their first-born - a girl - a toy cooker. She was dressed as a baby in dungarees, but throughout her childhood was fixated on princesses. They did have a television however, and unless Storm's family remains isolated from the media, the images will be there. Like Eve I believe that genes rule and that girls will be girls I disagree with you fundamentally. Sure, 'girls will be girls' in our society and there's not a lot any parent can do to stop it. But I'd say it's because of the strength of the social construct of 'girls' rather than because of genetic predisposition. Well, my niece is at university and still can't cook. so MIL's controversial gift didn't do her a lot of good. |
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Post by housesparrow on May 30, 2011 12:40:06 GMT
I've been trying to find a link to some of the studies that have been done to find out if the boy/girl thing is nature or nurture. All I could find was this: www.newsweek.com/2010/03/22/my-name-is-jesse.htmlI'll keep looking. I can remember reading about one study conducted with orphaned or abandoned babies brought up in a commununal nursery, I think in one of the eastern bloc countries abut 40 years ago. The girls ended up girly and the boys boyish, but there was some speculation about whether this was because of the sub-conscious attitudes of the staff. |
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Post by everso on May 30, 2011 17:37:09 GMT
But if you think about it, at the dawn of time there was no preconceived idea of what a girl should do and what a boy should do. It just happened that way.
You might be able to fiddle about with how you bring up a child, but there must be more to it than that.
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Post by Weyland on May 30, 2011 18:00:48 GMT
But if you think about it, at the dawn of time there was no preconceived idea of what a girl should do and what a boy should do. It just happened that way. You might be able to fiddle about with how you bring up a child, but there must be more to it than that. Perhaps it's time to admit our ignorance and consult the birds and the bees. |
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