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Post by swl on Mar 11, 2009 20:28:26 GMT
My grudge against the bog-trotters goes back a bit further. 1298 actually.  |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 11, 2009 20:33:22 GMT
My grudge against the bog-trotters goes back a bit further. 1298 actually. Why, what happened then? Did they beat Scotland at football or something? I have no grudge against the Irish. Against any of the many ways of being Irish in Ireland that there are. (I'm not so keen on the Plastic Paddies in Glasgow, but I think even the Irish find them embarassing. It's like when you see the Americans having Highland Games and wearing kilts - you just cringe. It's bad enough to see Scottish people in Scotland behaving like that!) |
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Post by swl on Mar 11, 2009 20:43:26 GMT
Battle of Falkirk. Irish mercenaries fought on the side of the English. One of the reasons Robert the Bruce sent his kid brother to kick the living daylights out of the Irish 20 years later - a pastime that the English take credit for but we actually started it.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 11, 2009 20:50:14 GMT
Battle of Falkirk. Irish mercenaries fought on the side of the English. One of the reasons Robert the Bruce sent his kid brother to kick the living daylights out of the Irish 20 years later - a pastime that the English take credit for but we actually started it. Surely the key word is 'mercenaries'; they weren't doing it as the representative force of the will of the people of Ireland! |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Mar 11, 2009 20:51:20 GMT
Point 1: Jockland is poor footballing nation that produces mediocre footballers (in the modern age) who end up grubbing around in the lower English leagues or being journeymen/bench warmers for bigger English teams.
Point 2: Footballing giants like Argentina & Brazil take Olympic football very seriously, that is part of their winning mentality.
Point 3: We won a world cup and you didn't...LOL
Here Endeth The Lesson
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 11, 2009 20:54:51 GMT
Point 1: Jockland is poor footballing nation that produces mediocre footballers (in the modern age) who end up grubbing around in the lower English leagues or being journeymen/bench warmers for bigger English teams. Point 2: Footballing giants like Argentina & Brazil take Olympic football very seriously, that is part of their winning mentality. Point 3: We won a world cup and you didn't...LOL Here Endeth The LessonAH Too true to be hurtful Alpha. |
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Post by swl on Mar 11, 2009 20:57:13 GMT
Battle of Falkirk. Irish mercenaries fought on the side of the English. One of the reasons Robert the Bruce sent his kid brother to kick the living daylights out of the Irish 20 years later - a pastime that the English take credit for but we actually started it. Surely the key word is 'mercenaries'; they weren't doing it as the representative force of the will of the people of Ireland! Feck it, they made their bed ... Scotland - kicking lumps out of Paddys for 800 years. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 11, 2009 21:02:39 GMT
Surely the key word is 'mercenaries'; they weren't doing it as the representative force of the will of the people of Ireland! Feck it, they made their bed ... Scotland - kicking lumps out of Paddys for 800 years.While the English sat back, watched and laughed and quietly got rich?  ? ? |
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Post by swl on Mar 11, 2009 21:04:13 GMT
Feck it, they made their bed ... Scotland - kicking lumps out of Paddys for 800 years.While the English sat back, watched and laughed and quietly got rich? ? ? I've told you before about you and your pesky facts |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Mar 11, 2009 21:12:52 GMT
I think it's fair to say that spectre of extreme nationalism has raised it's ugly chops on this thread (from all parties). ;D It's not a crime to place your nation above other nations folks...I salute you all (but remain English, and thus superior).  AH |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 11, 2009 21:15:15 GMT
I think it's fair to say that spectre of extreme nationalism has raised it's ugly chops on this thread (from all parties). ;D It's not a crime to place your nation above other nations folks...I salute you all (but remain English, and thus superior). AH If England are a nation (and I think they are) then why the hell are they pretending to be 'Team GB' (sic)? The English FA should be standing up and saying "England will play football as England, in England shirts and it is beneath us to play for some other multi-national label, such as 'Team GB' (sic)'". (Or, in a few years time, Team EU.) |
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Post by trubble on Mar 11, 2009 21:21:29 GMT
It once was Irish not British, right? It still is and always was Irish and not British. But there never was a 32-county (i.e. all of geographical Ireland) Irish state. Or am I wrong? This state thing you refer to - it's a modern concept, Ireland was under British rule for far too long to have had a modern concept like that. We were a full set of counties though, I think!, just under British Rule not Irish, before that we were provinces - of Ireland. Still are provinces.  |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 11, 2009 21:49:25 GMT
It still is and always was Irish and not British. But there never was a 32-county (i.e. all of geographical Ireland) Irish state. Or am I wrong? This state thing you refer to - it's a modern concept, Ireland was under British rule for far too long to have had a modern concept like that. We were a full set of counties though, I think!, just under British Rule not Irish, before that we were provinces - of Ireland. Still are provinces. "State thing" . . "a modern concept". sheesh. You sound like Italy now. (She said smugly, proud of her belief that Scotland and England are the oldest nation states in Europe in their existing boundaries.) But seriously . . given that I've just said (about us and the English being the most ancient etc.,) can't you see even a wee bit why the Scots might be offended by 'Team GB' being a purely English squad against the wishes of our National Football Association. |
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Post by trubble on Mar 12, 2009 0:55:24 GMT
erm..
Yes. Actually I am swinging to your way of thinking now. It's an outrage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 7:52:36 GMT
It's like Hancock's The Juryroom on this thread .
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Post by housesparrow on Mar 12, 2009 8:22:06 GMT
It's like Hancock's The Juryroom on this thread . I can't remember it, but can imagine! I ws told yesterday that the governing body of the Olympics has forbidden Britain to enter as anything other than GB. If we separated England, Scotland Wales and NI for football we would have to do the same for every other sport. If true, it is perfectly reasonable to expect all the national teams to compete for a place in the GB squad and those who refuse can do the other thing. It would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 12, 2009 9:32:03 GMT
It's like Hancock's The Juryroom on this thread . I can't remember it, but can imagine! I ws told yesterday that the governing body of the Olympics has forbidden Britain to enter as anything other than GB. If we separated England, Scotland Wales and NI for football we would have to do the same for every other sport. If true, it is perfectly reasonable to expect all the national teams to compete for a place in the GB squad and those who refuse can do the other thing. It would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Some easy solutions: 1 - Don't put in a team for the football competition: It's not compulsory. OR 2 - Put in separate Scottish, English, Welsh & NI teams in all sports and get rid of the ludicrous facade that we are 'TEam GB'. |
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Post by bodgett on Mar 12, 2009 9:55:58 GMT
Battle of Falkirk. Irish mercenaries fought on the side of the English. One of the reasons Robert the Bruce sent his kid brother to kick the living daylights out of the Irish 20 years later - a pastime that the English take credit for but we actually started it. In the mvoie about William Wallace, on the day,on the field of battle, they all swopped sides! Don't tell me this fine piece of trickery was false  Or was it a later battle. |
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Post by trubble on Mar 12, 2009 10:55:48 GMT
Can I just know what are the objections to being IN the GB team - it seems to be a technical point based on the potential of FIFA to make the UK play as one team forever more. ?
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Post by housesparrow on Mar 12, 2009 12:16:29 GMT
[Some easy solutions: 1 - Don't put in a team for the football competition: It's not compulsory. OR 2 - Put in separate Scottish, English, Welsh & NI teams in all sports and get rid of the ludicrous facade that we are 'TEam GB'. Now, that would be high handed! It is one thing for the Scots and Welsh FAs to decide they want nothing to do with a GB team, quite another to demand unilaterally that all other sports split up into separate nations at this late stage to accommodate them. As for not competing in Olympic football at all .... that sounds like a case of "well, we don't agree with it so we shan't let anyone else play." |
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