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Post by everso on Dec 13, 2009 22:58:32 GMT
Lenny Henry, Marti Caine (remember her), Lena Cannelloni, All those Hughie Green and New Faces people.... I hate X factor as much as the next sane person but talent shows producing the the new big name are nothing new. Marti Caine died of cancer (leukaemia I believe) back in the 90s. She was in the same hospital ward as a cousin of Mr. E. He was a young lad of 17, an only child of Mr. E's aunt & uncle and he died just before Marti Caine. She was an absolute inspiration to everyone who was in St. Barts at the time. Mr. E's aunt said she was a lovely person who kept everyone cheerful. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Dec 14, 2009 13:02:28 GMT
Well, Housey & I were right that it was set up for Joe to win.
Aubrey, Susan Boyle's album has sold something like 5 million copies (yes, I am that sad that i watched the Piers Morgan Susan Boyle Special after the X Factor final last night!!! So bite me.) - even if she only got £1 per album, that's a huge amount of money.
She is a good singer, but I'm not finessed enough to know if she really is special. Chris used to say that she was just an average singer for musical theatre (he claimed to have theatrical training). I don't know. It's not my cup of tea anyway.
Mind you, here's the scenario Aubrey - you have to go on to a desert island and you're either allowed to take the Susan Boyle album or the latest Fall album . . . I'd be in a dilemma, I really would.
(Your passion for the Fall has gone unslagged for too long.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 14:51:49 GMT
whilst channel hopping last night i happened to catch a few minutes of the x factor final last night. the one i saw was called Olly singing some dreadful dirge of a ballad. i was amazed at how appalling his singing was though. dunno what the other bloke was like.
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Post by housesparrow on Dec 14, 2009 18:12:43 GMT
We were beginning to think there was something wrong with our TV, because very often we can hardly hear the X factor singers above the orchestra.
But George Michael came across loud and clear, so it must be them, not us.
I don't know how special Susan Boyle's voice is; I think it is good, but the people of Texas were quite open about why they loved her so much. She gives hope that it is never too late to achieve, that people can overcome small handicaps with enough determination. I find her story quite moving.
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Post by aubrey on Dec 15, 2009 11:00:06 GMT
Well, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but you're wrong - you do know that don't you?  I just hope S Boyle has got a good lawyer. I think with this kind of thing, the advance, costs of recording, advertising, promotion etc, all come out of the artist's cut. And she won't be getting royalties either, as she didn't write or arrange anything (at least, I don't think she did). She'll probably do ok, but not as well as another person who is involved. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Dec 15, 2009 13:21:27 GMT
Question for Aubrey: How many albums have the Fall brought out? And do you own ALL of them?  ? Gothboy flirts with The Fall - was there a Greatest Hits or something issued at some stage? If so, he has that. But to actually follow the Fall seems to require a huge amount of unnecessary dedication. I have 3 Fall songs on my iTunes 'Hit The North' . . .which is bloody brilliant admittedly 'Stepping Out' and 'Touch Sensitive' (the one from the advert!) It seems like all The Fall I would ever need. I was in a pub in Manchester once and Mark E Smith was too. I saw him in the flesh. |
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Post by aubrey on Dec 15, 2009 18:00:37 GMT
 And good flesh it as, as well. 50,000 Fall fans can't be wrong? (Title of compilation.) I have all the regular releases, plus a few but not all of the live and out-take and sessions type ones. And a lot of bootlegs. Altogether, including the live etc ones, it's about 98 albums. Otherwise, maybe 30 - something like 1 a year for 30 years (actually more now). Here is a time-like, plus list of releases and personel. The Peel Sessions one is a good starter - cheap under £20 for 6 discs), with some classic songs that heve never been released anywhere else, as well some good versions of regular songs. Is there anybody who you buy everything of? |
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Post by riotgrrl on Dec 16, 2009 13:17:16 GMT
There's not a single band I buy everything of Aubrey.
I usually get bored with bands after a few albums. Even bands that I have bought most of - Muse and Radiohead say - latterly I have taken to just stealing their albums by illegal downloading rather than actually buying them.
I love Glasvegas and raved about their album. And i will definitely buy their 2nd album when it comes out.
But bands all start to get rubbish after about their 3rd or 4th album.
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Post by aubrey on Dec 17, 2009 10:59:59 GMT
There is a tendency to do that, you're right (but not The Fall. They've been up and down a bit, but mostly they're at a very hight standard. A bit like Hitchcock, really).
I remember when all the punk groups signed to big record labels (like Virgin) and immediately turned crap - they got into nice shiny studios with a professional producer which all drained everything that was good about them away - like The Skids and the Mekons, but there were lots of others. They mostly split up (probably owing the record company lots of money), though some of them went back to home or self financed recording and got good again.
I always found it strange how classical composers got better as they got older, but rock types mostly coast - like The Stones.
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Post by riotgrrl on Dec 17, 2009 11:22:43 GMT
TBH Aubrey, I've always liked singles more than albums.
I don't like 'experimental' and I can smell 'filler' at a mile.
I like the singles usually, because usually the singles are the best songs on the albums and the rest is not so good.
I don't think I've got a single full album on my ipod. I load them on, then delete off all the crap tracks.
Punk bands made brilliant singles but rubbish albums, and the Skids are a very good example of that indeed!
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Post by aubrey on Dec 17, 2009 12:54:28 GMT
I tend to knock odd tracks off the mp3 player, though they're usually ones I like in the context of the album. That goes for The Fall as well. And there are some albums that do not work at all when split into random play.
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Post by housesparrow on Dec 17, 2009 18:35:47 GMT
Poor ol' Joe McEldery. He really did get lumbered with a dire song to sing. I thought it was my TV but no, I heard it on the radio, and I defy anyone to make "Climb" sound good.
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Post by aubrey on Dec 18, 2009 10:18:29 GMT
That - a song being bad because of the tv - sounds like Homer, hitting the TV to try to make the programme he's watching more funny.
Where's the song from?
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Post by aubrey on Dec 18, 2009 10:26:41 GMT
There's not a single band I buy everything of Aubrey. I usually get bored with bands after a few albums. Even bands that I have bought most of - Muse and Radiohead say - latterly I have taken to just stealing their albums by illegal downloading rather than actually buying them. I love Glasvegas and raved about their album. And i will definitely buy their 2nd album when it comes out. But bands all start to get rubbish after about their 3rd or 4th album. Riot: (scroll down for peel sessions - there's another disc on the next page)(not glasvegas, sorry.) |
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Post by housesparrow on Dec 20, 2009 7:18:39 GMT
That - a song being bad because of the tv - sounds like Homer, hitting the TV to try to make the programme he's watching more funny. Where's the song from?  Last year, Alexandra's Christmas single sounded much better on my friend's old portable TV, and better still on the car radio. (though of course the TV was the live performance and the repeat, so perhaps shouldn't be compared with the recording) "Climb" is from some musical I'd never heard of, I think. Perhaps with a different arrangement and a stronger voice it would have some merit; I'm no music expert let alone a record producer. I wonder if Stacey would have done a better job? It might have suited her distinctive voice. Even so, I think a first single needs to be either catchy or spectacular and Joe's offering is neither. He was still the best of the bunch though. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Dec 20, 2009 9:38:55 GMT
And is it not today that we find out if it's little Joe or the ludicrous Rage Against The Machine who win the 'battle' for the Christmas No. 1?
Because RATM are signed to an independent label and buying their song won't put any money in the pockets of large corporations . . . .oh no, hold on.
Anyone who purchased the RATM shouty song, which, let's face it, is rubbish, should hang their head in shame.
Mind you, so should anyone who bought Little Joe's 'Climb' rubbish.
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Post by aubrey on Dec 20, 2009 11:24:20 GMT
Mind you, it's almost worth buying RATM (which I haven't heard, and don't want) just to piss off S Cowell, esp when he said that the people behind the campaign were Scrooges (or somethinglike that).
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Post by Patrick on Dec 21, 2009 0:21:59 GMT
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Post by riotgrrl on Dec 21, 2009 0:23:55 GMT
Punk my arse.
American funk-rock politically immature twats.
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Post by Patrick on Dec 21, 2009 0:27:49 GMT
I'm pleased to say that I haven't heard either!
Though I did bump into some gossip earlier that the Alexandra Burke woman "Never listens to a thing Simon Cowell says"!
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