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Post by everso on Jan 2, 2011 23:36:09 GMT
I never knew Barbie was so old! I used to have a wonderful "teenage" doll that I called Cindy. My aunt who lived in the USA sent it to me for Christmas one year, and I was the envy of all my friends. I don't know what happened to her though.
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Post by Weyland on Jan 3, 2011 11:37:09 GMT
I never knew Barbie was so old! I used to have a wonderful "teenage" doll that I called Cindy. My aunt who lived in the USA sent it to me for Christmas one year, and I was the envy of all my friends. I don't know what happened to her though. My niece, born 1959, had a doll called Tressy. Its hair could "grow". Growtesque, it was. (Only had hair on its head, by the way.) I wouldn't be surprised if she still has it.  Lady Gaga Tressy Larue (no relation) |
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Post by everso on Jan 3, 2011 15:13:13 GMT
I've often thought how good it would be if we had a gadget attached to our heads (say, a button just behind the right ear - or the left ear if you were left-handed) where you could lengthen or shorten your hair, like Tressy.
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Post by aubrey on Jan 3, 2011 22:11:35 GMT
Hey, Trubs. Whenever it is, you know, happy B/day and all that. I did not realise until a couple of weeks back that you were markem harshley as well. You taught me how to post links properly. Thank you. Markem Harshley, Aubs. I'm a Quaker (or I would be if I ever fell) - no honorifics at all. (Quaker is not included in the Firefox dictionary. Mind you, Firefox isn't either) |
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Post by Weyland on Jan 3, 2011 22:13:00 GMT
Or, of course, we could emulate the logger who stirred his coffee with his thumb: He never shaved a whisker
From off of his horny hide;
He hammered in the bristles,
And chewed them off inside.How coarse. I prefer the tried-and-tested Desperate Dan method -- a blowlamp.[/size]  (Without a doubt somebody, somewhere will have tried that method for a Brazilian, but it just doesn't bear thinking about.) |
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Post by Weyland on Jan 3, 2011 22:22:03 GMT
I'm a Quaker (or I would be if I ever fell) - no honorifics at all. (Quaker is not included in the Firefox dictionary. Mind you, Firefox isn't either) "fell"? This is what the OED says . . . quaker
("kweIk@(r)) [f. quake v.1 + -er1.]
One who, or that which, quakes.
1. pl. = quaking-grass. Midl. dial.
1597 Gerarde Herbal i. lvii. 81 Phalaris pratensis is called in Cheshire about Namptwich, Quakers and Shakers. 1611 Cotgr., Amourettes, the grasse tearmed, Quakers, and Shakers, or quaking grasse. 1617 Minsheu Ductor, Quackers, or quaking grasse. 1882 W. Worc. Gloss. 1890 Glouc. Gloss.
2. With capital Q: A member of the Religious Society of Friends, founded by George Fox in 1648–50, distinguished by its stress on the ‘Inner Light’ and rejection of sacraments, ordained ministry and set forms of worship; noted also for pacifist principles and simplicity of life, formerly in particular for plainness of dress and speech.
Acc. to Fox (Jrnl. I. 38) the name was first given to himself and his followers by Justice Bennet at Derby in 1650, ‘because I bid them, Tremble at the Word of the Lord’. It appears, however, from a letter of intelligence, written at London on Oct. 14, 1647, that the name had previously been applied to the members of some foreign religious sect: ‘I heare of a Sect of woemen (they are at Southworke) come from beyond Sea, called Quakers, and these swell, shiver, and shake, and when they come to themselves (for in all this fitt Mahomett's holy-ghost hath bin conversing with them) they begin to preache what hath bin delivered to them by the Spiritt’ (Clarendon MSS. No. 2624). It thus seems probable that Bennet merely employed a term already familiar, and quite appropriate as descriptive of Fox's earlier adherents (cf. quots. 1654, 1694, and see quaking vbl. n. and ppl. a. 2). The name has never been adopted by the Friends themselves, but is not now regarded as a term of reproach.
1651 T. Hall Pulpit Guarded 15 We have many Sects now abroad; Ranters, Seekers, Shakers, Quakers, and now Creepers. Ibid. 29 A Bastard-brood of Arrians, Arminians,+Quakers, Ranters. 1653 H. R. (title) A Brief Relation of the Irreligion of the Northern Quakers. 1654 E. Terrill in R. Barclay Inner Life (1876) 317 Thus, they coming as foretold, they were not known, but afterwards they were called by the name of ‘Quakers’, from people's shaking and quaking that received them and their doctrine. 1656 Evelyn Mem. (1857) I. 332, I had the curiosity to visit some Quakers here in prison: a new fanatic sect, of dangerous principles, who shew no respect to any man, magistrate, or other. 1679 Trial of Langhorn 53 He is no Quaker, for he hath got a Perriwig on. 1694 De la Pryme Diary (Surtees) 53 The Quakers+do not now quake, and howl, and foam with their mouths, as they did formerly. 1731 Gentl. Mag. I. 60 The practice of the people called Quakers, who maintain none of their poor in idleness that are able to work. 1771 Smollett Humph. Cl. 26 June, By his garb, one would have taken him for a quaker, but he had none of the stiffness of that sect. 1837 W. Irving Capt. Bonneville I. 183 In one respect, their religion partakes of the pacific doctrines of the Quakers. 1876 Bancroft Hist. U.S. I. x. 363 The early Quakers in New England displayed little of the mild philosophy+of Penn. 1924 G. B. Shaw Saint Joan p. xlvi, In war, for instance, we suppress the gospels and put Quakers in prison, muzzle the newspapers, [etc.]. 1930 I You never can Tell in Wks. VIII. 208 She is too militant an Agnostic to care to be mistaken for a Quaker. She therefore dresses in as business~like a way as she can. 1941 A. Huxley Let. 17 Nov. (1969) 470 England and America owe an incalculable debt to the Quakers for the way in which they have educated successive generations of rulers to realize that a theocentric opposition is a thing of enormous value to the society containing it. 1972 J. G. Davies Dict. Liturgy & Worship 329/1 For Quakers the difference between cleric and layman is irrelevant. 1978 J. A. Michener Chesapeake 380 In the name of God and Jesus Christ they must be set free, and no man dare call himself a Quaker and a slave~holder, too.
b. transf. Applied to various plain-coloured birds and moths, with allusion to the colour of the dress usually worn by Quakers.
(a) A small bird of the Falkland Islands. (b) The sooty albatross. (c) The nankeen-bird, or Australian night-heron. (d) One of several European, grey or brown, noctuid moths belonging to the genera Orthosia or Agrochola, esp. O. stabilis, the common quaker, or O. cruda, the small quaker.
1775 Clayton Falkland Islands in Phil. Trans. LXVI. 105 Of small birds there are several sorts; the red breast,+the white throat; the quaker, from its plumage being of the colour those people wear. 1775 M. Harris Eng. Lepidoptera 41 Quaker.+ Of a plain brown colour, having a small ring in the middle, and a whitish line near the edge. 1894 Newton Dict. Birds, Quaker, a sailor's name for the Dusky Albatross, Phœbetria fuliginosa. 1907 R. South Moths. Brit. Isles 1st Ser. 328 The Small Quaker.+ Most specimens of this species have the fore wings pale greyish ochreous. Ibid., (heading) The Common Quaker. 1948 W. J. Stokoe Caterpillars Brit. Moths I. 312 The Small Quaker+appears to be common throughout England and Wales. Ibid. 313 The Common Quaker+is on the wing during March and April. 1968 Oxf. Bk. Insects 74/2 Small Quaker.+ Dingy, undistinguished little moths, usually with a dusky spot on each forewing. Ibid., Common Quakers visit sallow blossoms. Ibid. 78/2 Red-line Quaker (Agrochola lota). All four wings of this moth are a dingy blackish-grey colour.
c. ellipt. for quaker-colour, -gun, -hat, etc.
c1754 Garrick Epil. to Fielding's Fathers, The high-cocked, half-cocked quaker, and the slouch, Have at ye all! 1829 J. Shipp Mem. ix. (1890) 139 The man of authority in size not much larger than a quaker. 1840 R. H. Dana Bef. Mast xxvii. 88 A Russian government bark,+mounting eight guns (four of which we found to be quakers). 1923 Daily Mail 21 Feb. 14 (Advt.), In Black, black person, Putty, Fawn, Quaker.
3. attrib. and Comb. (from sense 2). a. simple attrib.: Of or pertaining to the Society of Friends or its members; as quaker (or Quaker) bonnet, cap, doctrine, dress, meditation, pride, etc.; also designating various subdued colours, as quaker-brown, -green, -grey. b. similative, as quaker-like adj. and adv., -looking adj. c. special combs.: quaker-bird, the sooty albatross; quaker-buttons (U.S.), the seeds of nux vomica; Quaker City, Philadelphia, U.S.A.; Quaker collar (see quot. 1957); quaker-colour, a drab or grey colour; so quaker-coloured adj.; quaker-grass, quaking-grass (Halliwell); quaker gun (U.S.), a dummy gun in a ship or fort; quaker-ladies (U.S.), the small pale-blue flowers of the American plant Houstonia cærulea; quaker-linen (see quot. 1788); Quaker-meeting (also Quakers'), a religious meeting of the Society of Friends; transf. a silent meeting (alluding to the Friends' custom of remaining silent until moved by the spirit); quaker moth (see 2b); Quaker Oats, a proprietary brand of oats used esp. for making porridge as a breakfast food; Quaker state, Pennsylvania; quaker string, a form of string for a stair.
1859 Geo. Eliot A. Bede iii, Dinah had taken off her little *quaker bonnet again.
1851 Mrs. Gaskell Let. c 28 Mar. (1966) 147, I have got a new silk gown, *quaker-brown coloured.
1822 M. Edgeworth Let. 16 Mar (1971) 373 Enter Mrs. Fry in drab colored silk cloak and plain borderless *quaker cap. 1851 Mrs. Stowe Uncle Tom's Cabin (1852) I. xiii. 198 ‘Nicely,’ said Ruth, taking off her little drab bonnet, and+displaying+a round little head, on which the Quaker cap sat with a sort of jaunty air. 1856 M. J. Holmes Homestead iv. viii. 220 Grandma, in rich black silk and plain Quaker cap, was hovering near her favorite child.
1836 T. Power Impressions Amer. i. 51 It was night before we gained the *Quaker city. 1903 Critic Aug. 190 Sketches of Philadelphia life and society by a New York woman who+does not find the Quaker city so ‘slow’ as is generally represented. 1975 Country Life 2 Jan. 44/1 The First Troop, Philadelphia City Cavalry,+celebrated its 200th anniversary on November 15, 1974, the night we flew into the ‘Quaker City’.
1957 M. B. Picken Fashion Dict. 267/2 *Quaker collar, broad flat collar, similar to Puritan collar. 1974 M. Higgins Changeling ii. 8 Dark dress with wide Quaker collar.
1818 Blackw. Mag. III. 406 Solemn suits Of customary snuff or *quaker-colour.
c1770 T. Erskine Barber in Poet. Reg. (1810) 331 Simplicity+Waves in the eye of Heav'n her *Quaker-colour'd wings.
1856 R. A. Vaughan Mystics (1860) II. xi. ii. 222 The *Quaker doctrine concerning stillness and quiet.
1812 Crabbe Tales ix. Wks. (1834) V. 13 Young Zelinda, in her *quaker-dress.
1869 Bradshaw's Railway Man. 460/3 (Advt.), Greens. Brunswk. Greens, all shades. *Quaker ditto. Emerald Green.
1880 Harper's Mag. Nov. 906/1 The powders are most deceptive in color;+black appears a purplish-gray; Vandyck brown, *Quaker gray. 1922 Joyce Ulysses 498 In quakergrey kneebreeches and broadbrimmed hat. 1953 ‘N. Blake’ Dreadful Hollow 27 The modest Quaker-grey of the house.
1809 W. Irving Knickerb. iii. (1820) 240 A formidable battery of *quaker guns.
1871 Scribner's Monthly II. 102 In yonder woods, where hepatica, and May~blossoms, and *Quaker-ladies twinkle into life. 1946 D. C. Peattie Road of Naturalist v. 58 There are bluets around Stonybrook in Jersey+called also ‘innocence’ and ‘Quaker ladies’. 1954 Quaker-ladies [see innocence 6].
1680 R. Ware Foxes & Firebrands ii. (1682) 103 He+*Quaker-like, thou'd and thee'd Oliver. 1818 Scott Hrt. Midl. xxvii, Her love of and veneration for truth was almost quaker-like. 1838 Lytton Alice i. i, A stiff cap of quaker-like simplicity.
1788 Wesley Wks. (1872) VII. 24 Let there be no *Quaker-linen,—proverbially so called, for their exquisite fineness.
1792 Wolcott (P. Pindar) Ode to Irony Wks. 1812 III. 39 Who laughest not, thou *Quaker-looking wight.
1835 Willis Pencillings II. l. 95 After sitting awhile in *quaker meditation.
1659 in Compact with Charter & Laws of Colony of New Plymouth (1836) II. 125 Others thinke it meet to p[er]mitt some p[er]sons to frequent the *Quaker meetings to endeavor to reduce them form [sic] the error of theire wayes. 1704 S. Sewall Diary 23 May (1879) II. 102 Convers'd with Mr. Noyes, told him of the Quaker Meeting at Sam. Sawyers. 1751 J. Brown Shaftesb. Charac. 32 The finest speaker+would in vain point the thunder of his eloquence on a quaker-meeting. 1821 [see Quakeress]. 1848 J. F. Cooper Oak Openings II. i. 9 The silence resembled that of a Quaker meeting. 1861 Hughes Tom Brown at Oxf. xxvi, Isn't it very ridiculous+that we four should be standing here in a sort of Quakers' meeting. 1974 Encycl. Brit. Macropædia VII. 743/2 Friends were hounded by penal laws for not swearing oaths,+for going to Quaker meetings, and for refusing tithes.
1819 G. Samouelle Entomol. Compend. 363 *Quaker moth.
1894 Trade Marks Jrnl. 5 Dec. 984 Pure *Quaker Oats.+ Rolled white oats for use as food. The American Cereal Company,+Chicago, Illinois. 1901 B. S. Rowntree Poverty viii. 285/2, 2 lbs. Quaker oats, 5 1 / 2 d. 1921 R. Macaulay Dangerous Ages i. 11 The annoyances and disappointments+such as quaker oats because the grape-nuts had come to an end. 1980 G. Greene Dr. Fischer iv. 28 Do you happen to know anything about porridge? Real porridge I mean. Not Quaker Oats.
176. Wilkes Corr. (1805) III. 77 That *quaker pride, which is the most disgusting thing in the world.
1896 Peterson Mag. Mar. 309/2 It [sc. Pennsylvania] has been long and favorably known as ‘The *Quaker State’, in honor of the Society of Friends. 1934 G. E. Shankle State Names ii. 142 Five nicknames are given to the State of Pennsylvania; namely, the Coal State, the Keystone State, the Oil State, the Quaker State, and the Steel State. 1948 Mencken Amer. Lang. Suppl. II. 598 State nicknames+of Pennsylvania.+ Quaker State.
1825 J. Nicholson Operat. Mechanic 598 Sometimes the risers are mitred to the brackets, and sometimes mitred with *quaker strings.
Hence "Quakerdom, Quakers as a class, Quakerism. Qua"kerian, Quakeric, †Quake"ristical adjs., Quakerly, Quakerish. Quakeri"zation, the action of Quakerizing. "Quakerize v., to convert into a Quaker; to affect with qualities characteristic of a Quaker. "Quakership, the condition of being a Quaker. †"Quakery, Quakerism.
1824 R. Southey Let. 3 Apr. in N. & Q. (1975) Sept. 403/2 My designs upon George Fox have, as you may suppose, excited a stir throughout all *Quakerdom. 1839 C. Fox Jrnls. (1882) 42 He spoke very civilly of modern Quakerdom. 1855 Tait's Mag. XXII. 445 Ellwood was a convert to Quakerdom.
1827 Hare Guesses (1867) 132 The Jacobinical metonomatosis of the months+might be lookt upon as a parody of the *Quakerian.
1847 Macaulay in Trevelyan Life II. 215 Translate the following passage into the *Quakeric dialect.
1685 Answ. Dk. Buckhm. on Lib. Consc. 12, I should suspect the Pensilvanian had Tutor'd him with this *Quakeristical Divinity.
1864 Sala in Daily Tel. 5 Dec., No amount of *quakerisation could render the car uncomfortable.
1825 Miss Mitford in L'Estrange Life (1870) II. 198 She is all over *Quakerized, as you of course know.
1826 B. Barton Select., etc. (1849) 6 'Twould be cook-ship versus *Quaker-ship.
1673 H. Hallywell Acc. Familism iv. 75 *Quakery, though it pretend high, is mere Sadducism at the Bottom. 1688 Bunyan Heavenly Footman (1886) 156 Thou may'st stumble and fall,+both in ranting and quakery. |
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Post by everso on Jan 4, 2011 0:22:40 GMT
I've never been able to understand how a pacifist thinks. What would have happened if everyone had been a pacifist at the beginning of WW2  |
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Post by aubrey on Jan 4, 2011 8:46:06 GMT
There are a few wartime letters between Orwell and various pacifists in his books of Letters, Journalism and Essays - he didn't like them. (Orwell tried to join up, but he wasn't fit enough.)
With Quakers, I get the idea that they don't have rules as such; you make up your own mind (though there might be disapproval from other Quakers).
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Post by o on Jan 4, 2011 8:57:19 GMT
I've never been able to understand how a pacifist thinks. What would have happened if everyone had been a pacifist at the beginning of WW2 what a beautiful idea. yes, there would have been no war and no wholesale slaughter. |
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Post by o on Jan 4, 2011 9:03:09 GMT
i think the "OED" would be a lot more popular if it was not printed in such teeny tiny letters. and light blue ink? what are they thinking of? trying to attract a younger audience i suppose.
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Post by jean on Jan 4, 2011 9:03:40 GMT
yes, there would have been no war and no wholesale slaughter. That would indeed have been the case, so long as everyone else in the whole world, including that nice Mr. Hitler, had been a pacifist too. That's someting like what Neville Chamberlain was hoping for. But it rarely happens. And once someone breaks the pacifist consensus, you're stuffed. |
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Post by jean on Jan 4, 2011 9:16:48 GMT
i think the "OED" would be a lot more popular if it was not printed in such teeny tiny letters. and light blue ink? what are they thinking of? trying to attract a younger audience i suppose. I think these are formatting decisions of Weyland's who is (you won't know this, o) very young indeed. When I log onto it and post an extract, I can make it any size and colour I like, viz: pacifist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈpasɨfɪst/ , U.S. /ˈpæsəfəst/ Forms: also with capital initial.
Etymology: < pacif-(in pacific adj.1) + -ist suffix, after French pacifiste, noun (1903 or earlier) and adjective (1907). Compare slightly later pacifism n.and pacificist n....
A. n.
A proponent or advocate of pacifism.
1906 Times 30 July 5/4 The French ‘Pacifists’ will appeal to England's example in order to induce France also to cut down her naval programme.
1917 Atlantic Monthly June 748/1 My friend is a pacifist because he dreads the tantalizing consequences upon himself of resisting aggression by violent physical methods.
1930 W. S. Churchill My Early Life xxvi. 346, I have always been against the Pacifists during the quarrel, and against the Jingoes at its close...
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Post by everso on Jan 4, 2011 9:41:52 GMT
I've never been able to understand how a pacifist thinks. What would have happened if everyone had been a pacifist at the beginning of WW2 what a beautiful idea. yes, there would have been no war and no wholesale slaughter. I do believe you are playing with me, Mr. o. ;D I meant, of course, everyone in this country. Oh, Jean's already answered you. |
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Post by everso on Jan 4, 2011 9:46:14 GMT
i think the "OED" would be a lot more popular if it was not printed in such teeny tiny letters. and light blue ink? what are they thinking of? trying to attract a younger audience i suppose. It's funny how, when we are young and our eyes are in good working order, we never really notice things like small print. Once we start to get to a certain age we complain about it, like it's someone else's fault. I do it myself. |
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Post by Weyland on Jan 4, 2011 10:06:26 GMT
i think the "OED" would be a lot more popular if it was not printed in such teeny tiny letters. and light blue ink? what are they thinking of? trying to attract a younger audience i suppose. Try a different skin. (A younger person will know what a skin is in this context.) The entry is so big that I thought I'd better make it look smaller. Too small? |
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Post by o on Jan 4, 2011 10:23:55 GMT
I meant, of course, everyone in this country... sorry. thought you meant everyone the way He would have meant it. i do think that Jesus would've been a conchie (sp?). you know, gone onto the battlefield unarmed to carry to safety His fallen comrades. i wish that i could say with certainty that i would have the required bravery to act so. |
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Post by Weyland on Jan 4, 2011 10:56:59 GMT
Tymon Dogg is not the right context in this context, o, but now I'm intrigued by Tymon's wording. What does the following mean?
Do not turn or hate to see ...
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Post by everso on Jan 4, 2011 10:58:05 GMT
I meant, of course, everyone in this country... . i do think that Jesus would've been a conchie (sp?). you know, gone onto the battlefield unarmed to carry to safety His fallen comrades. i wish that i could say with certainty that i would have the required bravery to act so. No, o, I'm not religious, so that wouldn't have occurred to me. I daresay that it took a lot of courage to declare yourself a conscientious objector, knowing what most people would have thought of you. I guess, though, that when the time came for being called up, most men were so terrified of a Nazi invasion and their country being occupied by enemy forces, and goodness knows what happening to their nearest and dearest, that they just got on with it, and their personal beliefs were put to one side. Fighting for the common good, and all that. |
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