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Post by Weyland on May 30, 2011 18:09:51 GMT
I was taken to Haworth by a Polish ex-student of mine who was Bronte-mad (sorry, have forgotten how to do diaresis or even umlaut). Ampersand euml semi-colon (yes, I know). All correct.
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Post by housesparrow on May 30, 2011 18:55:31 GMT
Trubble, that looks just the job, especially as my friend is a vegetarian.
But whether we make it into Haworth depends how far we get the previous day. If we end up in Hebden Bridge and have to take the bus to our digs, we are duty bound to bus back the next morning, which will rule out Haworth (we are staying in Ponden, about three miles out). Though we might treat ourselves to morning coffee in Hebden Bridge instead.
As for milk in last - I am told that is only possible with the most refined of brews.
(My Pennine Way guidebook mentions the signs in Japanese).
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Post by Weyland on May 30, 2011 20:42:25 GMT
As for milk in last - I am told that is only possible with the most refined of brews. Yeah. And your informant was — don't tell me — no one other than Everso Essex, who admits being a fan of Rod Stewart and having consorted with Mods. Or possibly Aub, who doesn't conceal that he's from Leeds and doesn't like real bread. Case dismissed. Milk in first, and let that be an end to it. Yep. I saw some. On the whole it's easier than the local dialect. The Parsonage is definitely worth a visit though. Good bookshop as well, surprise surprise.
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Post by aubrey on May 30, 2011 21:05:22 GMT
We had a school trip to Haworth. Me and a girl (who I really liked) were deputised to go into an off-licence to get some drink, as we looked the oldest. I think it worked as well (this was after a group of us had split off from the main party). Then we decided to walk out to their house, the Parsonage (I think). Anyway, we got to within sight of it, as a misty presence that seemed to be miles away, and made a pact to say we'd got there. It worked; I heard of a class being told a few years later that only one group had ever got as for as the Parsonage. I'm glad that no one asked us any questions, like: what did it look like? Milk in first, ha! I get my information about this off George Orwell. You'd argue with George? I say again: ha!
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Post by housesparrow on May 31, 2011 7:48:21 GMT
No, I got that wrong! It isn't refined tea that makes "milk in last" possible, it is posh cups. Pour hot drinks onto cheap crockery and it cracks. But I always put milk in first if I use a teapot because it mixes up better and thus avoids the need to find a teaspoon. Usually though it is a teabag in a mug, and milk has to go in last. A spoon has to be located anyway to hook out the bag.
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Post by aubrey on May 31, 2011 8:01:10 GMT
But... but... I put a picture of George Orwell with a cup of tea and a fag. Surely that trumps any argument? Well, maybe not the teaspoon one, or the cracked cup one (and I think Orwell concedes this himself, though I could be transposing or whatever it's called from someone else's argument), but still. It's a picture of George with a cup of tea and a fag.
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Post by Weyland on May 31, 2011 9:41:51 GMT
Milk in first, ha! I get my information about this off George Orwell. You'd argue with George? I say again: ha! I can't blame you for following such a wise source, Aub, but the sad fact is that even George wasn't perfect. Having said that, as far as I know this tea nonsense was his only flaw, and probably a remnant of his misspent youth (at Eton). I'll be sailing past the mouth of the River Orwell this very day. I shall raise a glass to the memory of George. He looked a lot like my dad, apart from the moustache and height. I doubt George had a Wallsend accent either.
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Post by everso on May 31, 2011 9:57:51 GMT
Yes, I was a Mod, and yes, I (quite) liked Rod Stewart (sort of), but this has nothing to do with m.i.f. or m.i.l. My mum always put milk in first, maybe because she used a teapot, but I always thought it a bad idea because you couldn't judge how much milk you'd need. Once I got married I decided that milk in last was the way to go and my tea is never over-milked now. As far as stirring is concerned, well a whole new thread could be started. I always stir tea and coffee pretty thoroughly. Especially coffee, which always tastes better if you really go to town with the spoon.
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Post by aubrey on May 31, 2011 10:18:24 GMT
Our lass's sister never uses a spoon for her coffee (instant). She just pours a bit into the lid. I suppose it makes each cup different, though she's probably done it so long now that she gets the same amount every time - like Weyland and his milk: which I will try when I am able to have tea out of a pot again (I like the idea of bringing a pot and a cup and a bit of milk in here of an evening. I'd need a tea cosy, though. Something to look forward to, that).
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Post by jean on May 31, 2011 10:24:47 GMT
My mum always put milk in first, maybe because she used a teapot, but I always thought it a bad idea because you couldn't judge how much milk you'd need. OTOH if you put the tea in first, you can't judge whether it's too strong and you might need more water. (I like tea very weak.)
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Post by aubrey on May 31, 2011 10:49:20 GMT
That's another thing - strong or weak?
I like it fairly strong, sometimes very strong, and with more milk the stronger it is. I like it to have a nice orangey colour, rather than dirt brown.
Orwell's essay is mostly about getting 20 cups of strong tea out of a 2 oz ration; he is more concerned with the strength of it than anything else, really. He definitely saw tea as a drug, but one that (like cannabis) is pleasurable to take.
Jean:
Jean: what is the difference? Seriously - are they just different words for the same thing?
(By the way: just do a search for Character Map, or find it in System Tools. There's all sorts in there, along with keyboard shortcuts)
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Post by jean on May 31, 2011 11:19:54 GMT
Jean: what is the difference? Seriously - are they just different words for the same thing? NO THEY ARE NOT!!!!!The first indicates that the vowel you put it on is to be pronounced separately from the one immediately preceding it, the second indicates a change in the value of the vowel. Strictly speaking, umlaut means the vowel change itself, and not the symol or diacritic used to indicate it. In some typefaces though the diacritic used looks exactly the same for both functions. In German Gothic script they would probably look different, if you ever found a diaresis in German, which I don't think you do. (Weyland and I had a conversation about this here some time ago. He will remember. There are different ways of getting a diaeresis and an umlaut both of which he told me, as I did not wish to end up with the wrong one, even if they look the same in the end. But then I forgot both of them.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trema_(diacritic)(Phew. Thank goodness I found my spelling mistake before Weyland did.)
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Post by aubrey on May 31, 2011 13:05:38 GMT
I wasn't being sarcy - I just wondered after I had asked the first question whether I was being really daft, so added the second to acknowledge the possibility.
One the Character Map one time I wouldn't find an umlaut, but I did find the other one, which looked exactly the same (I wanted it for Zappa's Läther, bye the bye).
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Post by everso on May 31, 2011 13:31:18 GMT
Jean: what is the difference? Seriously - are they just different words for the same thing? NO THEY ARE NOT!!!!!Jean has an attack of the vapors. Aubs, what are you DOING you silly sausage?? Talking of sausages, chipolatas or full size?
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Post by everso on May 31, 2011 13:33:24 GMT
That's another thing - strong or weak? I like it fairly strong, sometimes very strong, and with more milk the stronger it is. I like it to have a nice orangey colour, rather than dirt brown. Very strong tea for me - yes orange. What my daughter calls "builder's tea". PG Tips too. Plus one spoonful of sugar.
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Post by aubrey on May 31, 2011 14:39:56 GMT
I don't hold with chipolatas. I'm not sure that you can even get them in vegetarian style (probably you can, though).
Shouldn't this be on the other thread, though?
F Zappa had a record called "Burnt Weenie Sandwich", which of course, him being Frank, was taken as a rude concept. But it was just a reference to beach parties he'd go to when he was young, where they'd have a fire and cook sausages in the embers and put them in a bun and yes - the Burnt Weenie Sandwich was born. The song Burnt Weenie Sandwich (actually Theme from Burnt Weenie Sandwich) is a guitar solo, with kitchen noises in the background. The LP is mostly instrumental, apart from a couple of Doo-wop songs.
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Post by riotgrrl on May 31, 2011 17:36:15 GMT
I don't drink tea. It's shite.
I have my coffee black, and no, I don't use a teaspoon to measure it out into the mug (how mad would you have to be do to that?). I just shoogle the right amount out the jar.
The only trick is to wait until the water in the kettle has finished boiling before you pour it on the instant coffee. I've said this before.
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on May 31, 2011 19:55:56 GMT
I don't drink tea. It's shite. I have my coffee black, and no, I don't use a teaspoon to measure it out into the mug (how mad would you have to be do to that?). I just shoogle the right amount out the jar. The only trick is to wait until the water in the kettle has finished boiling before you pour it on the instant coffee. I've said this before. Young lady, you need to spend a week learning the etiquette of tea and coffee making. Whatever 'shoogling' is...it has to stop. I'm appalled.
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Post by Weyland on Jun 1, 2011 18:30:45 GMT
I don't drink tea. It's shite. I don't drink coffee. It's shite. Did have a coffee early this morning on the ferry while waiting for it to dock. (Swedish/Dutch "tea" is almost as bad as American.) Guess what. It was shite.
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Post by everso on Jun 1, 2011 18:40:50 GMT
Nothing beats the sheer awfulness of American tea (in fact "nothing" is preferable). They drink this dreadful stuff called Lipton's. Ye gods it's foul, especially if you prefer really strong tea.
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