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Jul 7, 2008 16:59:59 GMT
Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 7, 2008 16:59:59 GMT
JSG is the center of the Universe, the glue that binds the Galaxies together, the unimatrix zero of the message board world - Don't knock it. AH
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Jul 7, 2008 17:05:59 GMT
Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2008 17:05:59 GMT
JSG is the center of the Universe, the glue that binds the Galaxies together, the unimatrix zero of the message board world - Don't knock it. AH I was just about to revert to bold letters actually and say "It all gets a bit deja vu after a while - so perhaps we better leave it there!"Please. Going good guns yerself there Alph! (He said in the spirit of fairness and fluffiness for which this board is all about!)
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Jul 7, 2008 17:12:57 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:12:57 GMT
JSG is the center of the Universe, the glue that binds the Galaxies together, the unimatrix zero of the message board world - Don't knock it. AH Alpha, in all honesty I think Trubs has got a point. Some of the posts on JSG are a disgrace . . and no, I don't mean arguing for the BNP. That's a legitimate political thing to do. Freedom of speech is not an ultimate. I like to have sex with children. (N.B. I really don't, but let's say I did.) Should I be able to post about my hobby, tell people all about it, and evangelise for child sex on message boards? Well, of course not. That is beyond the boundaries of free speech. So, once you accept that free speech is not unfettered, and should not be unfettered, it becomes a question of where you draw the line. Drawing the line is NOT censorship. I've been looking in on JSG today to follow the progress of young Ms Trubble and I could NOT believe that the threads in domestic news have so few replies. Back in the day that would never have happened. Every thread had at least 9 or 10 replies, and most went on for at least a couple of pages. JSG is really dead compared to how it used to be. People are free to vote with their feet. Look at Harry B . . she came here, didn't like it, and left. So what? That's her right. It seems that more and more people are concluding that JSG is not for them. I think Trubs is fighting for the future of that board, and good luck to her. She has more courage and heart than those of us who just had enough and left. And in return she is getting her own racist abuse on account of her being not quite English enough. If I was her I'd shrug and leave, but she is twice the woman I am as she just keeps going on and on. (I mean, she's far from perfect. Along with CG she subscribes to the ludicrous Gus conspiracy theory, which makes 9/11 conspiracy theorists look sane, but I'll forgive her that.)
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Jul 7, 2008 17:13:36 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:13:36 GMT
Oops, Sorry Patrick. I cross-posted.
Are you going to get all strict and moddy on our asses?
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Jul 7, 2008 17:15:07 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:15:07 GMT
PLEASE COULD EVERYONE SMITE ME AS I HAVE BEEN NAUGHTY AND PATRICK IS TOO SCARED OF ME TO MODERATE ME.
Thank you.
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Jul 7, 2008 17:19:40 GMT
Post by trubble on Jul 7, 2008 17:19:40 GMT
Check out Patrick getting all Adminy . . thou shallt not talk of other boards and all that stuff. Cool. Ban me Patrick! Go on, you know you want to! Trubs, I see where you're coming from, and I think you see where I'm coming from. Your list of offenders on JSG is pretty much the list I would have come up with. But you missed out that Scott guy who posts about the "negrification" of the UK. Open boards = free speech, I guess. But don't you ever get bored having the same debate with the same people? Don't you ever get tempted to do a Blue Peter and just link to the last time you had the debate ("Here's one I prepared earlier")? Don't you find the racist (anti-Irish) stuff that you get ALL THE TIME vaguely tiresome? Why are you bothering to try to save a board which is so clearly not the kind of place a gal like you would choose to hang out? I take your point about the scattering of posters to the four winds, but there will be regroupings in due course. Just that they're not likely to be on JSG. Definitely ban me now Patrick. Hi. Tempted often. Tried it once and the page had been deleted. ;D Heartily sick of it. Mostly I find it almost unbelievable that I am required to give my qualifications for posting on topics. .....I read somewhere (could be anywhere but I think it was some fascist Englishman stronghold type place, probably the BNP site) that being an able to claim indigenous status meant you had to come from some so and so ancestor who had been in England 1000 years ago. (Norman and Viking ancestry allowed apparently, go figure.) I have a family tree that proves I am directly related to some geezer in Dulwich from Norman stock circa 1100. Another 92 years and I'll be allowed in the club - yay!..... I forgot Scott. I see him the same way that rjpageuk sees Toby - a comedy character...I mean he also believes that animals are plotting to take over the world..er.. I don't think I'm trying to save the board, I think I'm just saying it like I see it because there's nothing left to lose. I regret that I defended those idiots' right to free speech for so long because they would not defend mine in similar circumstances and because although the board was previously attracting tough talkers it is now predominantly attracting racist gumpf. (I dunno how to spell gumpf). People register, read, and promptly leave. I am sad for James who worked very hard to publicise a place where all, not just racists, could speak freely and who trusts in independent thought too much. When you have to meet other people a lot on a daily basis that current board looks a bit like a bunker full of people wearing tin foil helmets so I can only guess that some of those people don't socialise very much. I admit my own errors in that I was happy to read such differing opinions to my own when there was a greater variety of opinions there to read. James is an excellent admin in many ways, not least his tolerance of people that don't think like him and his laid back attitude. I think, despite any frustrations I have had with him on the subject matter, that people have abused his hospitality. I am going to guess that today I am his least favourite poster. A bit like an epiphany, I found myself thinking last night of deleting every post I ever made on there. This was partly inspired by seeing Billy Connolly perform last night where he did a long set on free speech ideas, and the ideas that censoring would-be-offensive jokes or thoughts is detrimental to society, and told the only cvnt joke that I have ever laughed at, and did a brilliant John Smeaton set. I evaluated my standards and views on free speech and censorship and saw very clearly how all those bigots loitering round the bowels of that board would applaud as loudly as I did when Connolly said 'Osama Bin laden is a Pri(k' and 'we all need to be a bit like Smeaton and say you wanna piece of this? Come on and just try, you f***ers'. But also how those bigots would turn their rage on anyone different from them, be it Jews, Irish or women... but Billy wouldn't...and so just because some of what they say is true, doesn't mean they should be allowed to spread their hate in the same manner that Bin Laden does. I want free speech Billy Connolly style not Toby style. I also don't see why I shouldn't tell them what b8stards they are. It's my discussion place as much as theirs and they have no right to bombard it with things they wouldn't dare say in every day life because they know full well that most people would shun them & they kid themselves that's because we are suppressing our natural born hatred for foreigners. The most distressing part comes in two levels. Level one, I really miss the group that was there in entirety. Level two, I despair for the future of the UK and of Ireland because there seems to be only one way to have a discussion about migration and the issues that arise from it. Cannyscribbler told me that we're not being indoctrinated or brain washed, but my own experience is that I feel unable to voice my concerns about bad policies concerning immigration because those issues have been hijacked by racists, and unable to side with racists because it's just not me or right or sane, so I'm stuck with liberalism and immigration policies that are not working. In that way, my freedom of speech has been removed. By racists. Not that they will ever see that. Now go ahead and ban me, Patrick.
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Jul 7, 2008 17:23:41 GMT
Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 7, 2008 17:23:41 GMT
JSG is the center of the Universe, the glue that binds the Galaxies together, the unimatrix zero of the message board world - Don't knock it. AH Alpha, in all honesty I think Trubs has got a point. Some of the posts on JSG are a disgrace . . and no, I don't mean arguing for the BNP. That's a legitimate political thing to do. Freedom of speech is not an ultimate. I like to have sex with children. (N.B. I really don't, but let's say I did.) Should I be able to post about my hobby, tell people all about it, and evangelise for child sex on message boards? Well, of course not. That is beyond the boundaries of free speech. So, once you accept that free speech is not unfettered, and should not be unfettered, it becomes a question of where you draw the line. Drawing the line is NOT censorship. I've been looking in on JSG today to follow the progress of young Ms Trubble and I could NOT believe that the threads in domestic news have so few replies. Back in the day that would never have happened. Every thread had at least 9 or 10 replies, and most went on for at least a couple of pages. JSG is really dead compared to how it used to be. People are free to vote with their feet. Look at Harry B . . she came here, didn't like it, and left. So what? That's her right. It seems that more and more people are concluding that JSG is not for them. I think Trubs is fighting for the future of that board, and good luck to her. She has more courage and heart than those of us who just had enough and left. And in return she is getting her own racist abuse on account of her being not quite English enough. If I was her I'd shrug and leave, but she is twice the woman I am as she just keeps going on and on. (I mean, she's far from perfect. Along with CG she subscribes to the ludicrous Gus conspiracy theory, which makes 9/11 conspiracy theorists look sane, but I'll forgive her that.) Well, there is a really simple solution for you if you don't like the current balance of JSG, get back in there and help swing the pendulum, you argue with passion and intelligence, you were a valued contributer. Trubbs has a point about one or two posters (like the Jack Black" fellow, but they are johnny come lately's and will probably bugger off sooner or later). But people like Housecarl are excellent posters. A board can only be balanced when it has a good balance of members. It's not "our" (the right's) fault that the likes of chelsea27, Mr Fantastic and the more liberal posters don't have the stamina or will to post regularly My boy "Jammy" has been posting recently BTW. >thumbs up< AH
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Jul 7, 2008 17:26:00 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:26:00 GMT
Yay Patrick - ban me AND Trubble.
Trubs, we can go and set up our own board with just the two of us, like the boney-arsed queens of nowhere.
I got your back sista. I honestly nearly rejoined JSG today . . .but then didn't. Why would I want to put myself through that!
Nicer here. Cosier. A classier clientele. We're in the private function suite here, not the main bar!
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Jul 7, 2008 17:29:58 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:29:58 GMT
Patrick
Ban Alpha too! Everyone is at it today! Anarchy has broken out on Stub Crouch.
Patrick. PATRICK.
Where is he?
Oh there he is, hiding behind the couch waiting for us all to shut up and go away . . . .
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Jul 7, 2008 17:31:44 GMT
Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2008 17:31:44 GMT
Actually, I'm searching YouTube for a suitable standing ovation!
It's a record breaking speech day!
It's true - there is a valid point to posting such passionate diatribes on the very place where it's directed, but James didn't seem to want to listen last time...........
Damn - You've got me at it again!
BAN ME SOMEONE!
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Jul 7, 2008 17:40:26 GMT
Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 7, 2008 17:40:26 GMT
I like this thread, it's quite civilised and sensible (which is bloody shocking when you think that I am posting on it).
AH
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Jul 7, 2008 17:40:41 GMT
Post by trubble on Jul 7, 2008 17:40:41 GMT
Yay Patrick - ban me AND Trubble. Trubs, we can go and set up our own board with just the two of us, like the boney-arsed queens of nowhere. I got your back sista. I honestly nearly rejoined JSG today . . .but then didn't. Why would I want to put myself through that! Nicer here. Cosier. A classier clientele. We're in the private function suite here, not the main bar! I wish you bloody well would join, just for my own purposes, I wish everyone who left before would come back and join just to register their distaste with the crud that gets posted there, just to show those fools how in the minority they really are, because as it stands they really believe that they are brave warriors and justified. (This is not an attempt to make anyone join, just my musings.) The toxic waste is not in the majority of the postings, it just has a way of invading the rest, and that's what I meant about the racism preventing everyone else's voice being heard. Anyhoo, riotgrrl, Toby is suggesting that I am on my period, so yours must be catching. Now, I really DO have to go to some household chores ;D ;D shhh! No one tell on me.
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Jul 7, 2008 17:42:45 GMT
Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2008 17:42:45 GMT
Well, maybe they all should come back and back me up. RG did (didn't you?) and was banned immediately! and she didn't flounce as loudly as I did! I afear the worse if we tried!
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Jul 7, 2008 17:43:49 GMT
Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 7, 2008 17:43:49 GMT
You've upset him with your comments about the fuhrer. ;D
AH
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Jul 7, 2008 17:45:02 GMT
Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 7, 2008 17:45:02 GMT
Well, maybe they all should come back and back me up. RG did (didn't you?) and was banned immediately! and she didn't flounce as loudly as I did! I afear the worse if we tried! Banned from JSG? Seriously? That is bang out of order. AH
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Jul 7, 2008 17:47:33 GMT
Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2008 17:47:33 GMT
See, I knew you couldn't stay angry with me Pats. Sesley, I had a night out on Friday with the Common Purpose massif, but apart from that a very quiet weekend. A walk round the shops and supermarket on Saturday, gym on Sunday. Yourself? .............Oh Yes and who's "Gym"when he's at home?
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Jul 7, 2008 17:50:12 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:50:12 GMT
Steal that one for yer photobucket Pats.
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Jul 7, 2008 17:52:22 GMT
Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2008 17:52:22 GMT
I wish you bloody well would join, just for my own purposes, I wish everyone who left before would come back and join just to register their distaste with the crud that gets posted there, just to show those fools how in the minority they really are, because as it stands they really believe that they are brave warriors and justified. (This is not an attempt to make anyone join, just my musings.) There was plenty of chatroom discussion on how to work against the tider back in December, if I remember rightly. The tide broke through the dike in the end though.
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Jul 7, 2008 17:53:46 GMT
Post by riotgrrl on Jul 7, 2008 17:53:46 GMT
I don't think I'm banned. (Maybe I am.)
I rejoined to point out to Gus when he was ruthlessly hassling Ghost (who was actually Harry B I think) in the wrongful belief that she was me, that she wasn't me. Posted a couple of times, then deleted my account again, and James swiftly deleted all my posts.
And no, I didn't flounce. I made no farewell speech and left no message (as I recall - I could be wrong.)
It wasn't a nice place Alpha. Every time I posted Toby came up behind me with his 'Sheila' stuff. And Billy Childish tried to get me to leave for ages before I did. It really wasn't friendly.
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Jul 7, 2008 17:55:09 GMT
Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2008 17:55:09 GMT
Steal that one for yer photobucket Pats. Thank you. That's nearly as disturbing as baby Trubs!
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