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Post by jean on Jul 5, 2011 8:50:45 GMT
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Post by Weyland on Jul 5, 2011 10:12:08 GMT
The first one wouldn't have come up if the presenter had been Terry Wogan, and the second had it been Frank Skinner, even if they'd said the exact same words. That's the difference. They're harmless unless the source is a professional git. Note: Both Evans and Clarkson are lifelong members of the Shitheads Club. What can one expect? |
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Jul 5, 2011 10:29:55 GMT
The first one wouldn't have come up if the presenter had been Terry Wogan, and the second had it been Frank Skinner, even if they'd said the exact same words. That's the difference. They're harmless unless the source is a professional git. Note: Both Evans and Clarkson are lifelong members of the Shitheads Club. What can one expect?Indeed. Can't abide either of them. Evans especially as at least Clarkson can sometimes be quite witty, but I prefer James May. But it's still a little embarrassing to watch beer bellied middle aged men acting like spoiled teenagers...re: Top Gear. |
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Post by Weyland on Jul 5, 2011 10:38:21 GMT
But it's still a little embarrassing to watch beer bellied middle aged men acting like spoiled teenagers. I'm afraid that's a pretty good description of yours truly, except for the spoiled bit. And middle. That's how I got to be so highly qualified in the Commenting-on-Female-Build Department. I like James May. Don't like the programme at all, because I cannot bear Clarkson — not for a second. Replace him with, say, Chris Barrie, or Ross Noble, and I'd probably watch it. |
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Post by jean on Jul 5, 2011 10:45:36 GMT
There is one difference, which is that Chris Evans made his comment off the cuff, when there was a black woman sitting opposite in the studio.
Lenny Henry however was nowhere near Clarkson when he chose him to illusrtrate (!) his comments about his TV.
I would be very surprised, too, if he wasn't aware of the fuss over Chris Evans's gaffe when he said what he did.
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Post by everso on Jul 5, 2011 11:27:06 GMT
I was interested in this comment:
Mr Clarkson later said: ‘Without offence, there can be no jokes.’
Not sure I agree there. There are limits.
Why is it that making jokes about the elderly is acceptable on radio and t.v., but jokes about race, ethnicity or colour is not? It's still about people and how hearing jokes about them can lead to disrespect from some quarters. In fact it's almost more acceptable to make jokes about the blind or wheelchair-bound than it is about ethnic minorities.
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Post by trubble on Jul 5, 2011 11:33:43 GMT
I hate the Daily Mail.
What newspaper column was he writing? Can't we have more than one line from it?
I suppose it doesn't matter. If he did say it, it was obviously a reference to the Evans controversy - as dull as that was - and his ''joke'' is as dull as that was, not to mention utterly pointless.
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Jul 5, 2011 11:39:08 GMT
But it's still a little embarrassing to watch beer bellied middle aged men acting like spoiled teenagers. I'm afraid that's a pretty good description of yours truly, except for the spoiled bit. And middle. That's how I got to be so highly qualified in the Commenting-on-Female-Build Department. . Yes, but you are also an intelligent decent human being Weyland. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 5, 2011 11:43:53 GMT
I guess Chris Evans' remarks could be construed as NOT being speifically about the lady's skin colour but more of a general comment. Is it racist to say that black people have darker skins? |
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Post by trubble on Jul 5, 2011 11:46:17 GMT
I'm afraid that's a pretty good description of yours truly, except for the spoiled bit. And middle. That's how I got to be so highly qualified in the Commenting-on-Female-Build Department. . Yes, but you are also an intelligent decent human being Weyland. Hands off. I saw him first. |
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Post by Weyland on Jul 5, 2011 11:46:41 GMT
I was interested in this comment: Mr Clarkson later said: ‘Without offence, there can be no jokes.’ Not sure I agree there. There are limits. Unlikely as it may seem, perhaps even he knows that every time he opens his mouth something obnoxious comes out. Know then thyself, presume not God to scan.
The proper study of mankind is Man.
— Alexander Pope Good question. I don't know. Still, at least there are no ageist or handicapist political parties yet. Though the Tories often seem to be going that way. |
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Post by trubble on Jul 5, 2011 11:47:48 GMT
I guess Chris Evans' remarks could be construed as NOT being speifically about the lady's skin colour but more of a general comment. Is it racist to say that black people have darker skins? I don't think so. Depends on other factors, dunnit. |
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Post by trubble on Jul 5, 2011 11:53:40 GMT
Why is it that making jokes about the elderly is acceptable on radio and t.v., but jokes about race, ethnicity or colour is not? It's still about people and how hearing jokes about them can lead to disrespect from some quarters. In fact it's almost more acceptable to make jokes about the blind or wheelchair-bound than it is about ethnic minorities. Good question. I don't know. Still, at least there are no ageist or handicapist political parties yet. Though the Tories often seem to be going that way. I don't know how the disability scapegoat became the fashionable joke and have been wondering about it for a while. I think it's that comedians like taboos and race wasn't one. Race-jokes became the last refuge of the unfunny, and popular amongst an audience that pretended to itself that it was merely raging against ''PC''. The big joke over the past couple of years has been dwarves. You are allowed to make any joke you like about dwarves, no matter how unfunny or potentially offensive. |
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Post by jean on Jul 5, 2011 12:02:11 GMT
I guess Chris Evans' remarks could be construed as NOT being speifically about the lady's skin colour but more of a general comment. Is it racist to say that black people have darker skins? Nobody ever makes a joke that hinges on the colour of a white person's skin, because in this society white (roughly) is the default skin colour. And I think you have to be quite careful about saying something about a black person that youd never say (mutatis mutandis) about a white person. I don't think Evans would have said what he did if Dr Aderin-Pocock hadn't been black. She did also have a black dress on - but some very visible-in-the-dark white jewellery. |
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Post by trubble on Jul 5, 2011 12:16:21 GMT
What about the ''white man's overbite''?
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Post by everso on Jul 5, 2011 12:20:32 GMT
While not a Chris Evans supporter, I must come down on his side. I think his comment was completely UN-racist. I don't even think the question of race came into it. The woman was in a badly lit studio. He might have made the same comment to anybody.
Ridiculous.
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Post by everso on Jul 5, 2011 12:22:32 GMT
I guess Chris Evans' remarks could be construed as NOT being speifically about the lady's skin colour but more of a general comment. Is it racist to say that black people have darker skins? Quite. It always seems to me that when white people get their pants in a twist about whether it's racist to have made mention that somebody was black, it says more about the white people. |
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Post by everso on Jul 5, 2011 12:32:31 GMT
What about the ''white man's overbite''?  Oh my god, I've danced opposite so many men who do that! |
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Post by tarzanontarmazepam on Jul 5, 2011 12:39:03 GMT
Good question. I don't know. Still, at least there are no ageist or handicapist political parties yet. Though the Tories often seem to be going that way. I don't know how the disability scapegoat became the fashionable joke and have been wondering about it for a while. I think it's that comedians like taboos and race wasn't one. Race-jokes became the last refuge of the unfunny, and popular amongst an audience that pretended to itself that it was merely raging against ''PC''. The big joke over the past couple of years has been dwarves. You are allowed to make any joke you like about dwarves, no matter how unfunny or potentially offensive. And speaking of Chris Evans the same applies to people with ginger hair. I've heard so many jibes about ginger haired people on the television the likes of which would never be broadcast if the same expressions were used about black people. I think it was Jo Brand who recently went ballistic when someone she was with (forget the full story) made a derogatory remark about blacks in London, but she isn't shy to crack jokes about fat ginger haired people. Just seems an odd set of double standards set by the pc comedian brigade. |
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Post by Weyland on Jul 5, 2011 13:30:24 GMT
Oh my god, I've danced opposite so many men who do that! It's true. Things went off the rails for good and all dance-wise the day Gene Vincent died.   And even a dyed-in-the-wool Mod knows that. |
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