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Post by trubble on Jan 21, 2009 8:50:29 GMT
Obama has pleged to close down Gtmo. Well, good! It was a blot on American history. It doesn't suit America to perpetuate the practice of torture or imprisonment without trial.
Now, where are the prisoners going?...
And what about reports that say recently released prisoners have already returned to terrorism? Were they just scaremongering by unseen dark forces to try to prevent Obama's plan?
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Post by trubble on Jan 21, 2009 8:56:23 GMT
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Post by Patrick on Jan 21, 2009 12:19:18 GMT
I hear that we're going to get some of 'em! The US understands that we're good with refugees and ne'erdowells!  |
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Post by trubble on Jan 21, 2009 13:29:05 GMT
Are you obliged to receive them? How many are British?
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Post by Patrick on Jan 21, 2009 13:54:01 GMT
I don't think that'll be clear until they've taken the lunchtime register. They threw the line away in the lunchtime news saying that "We'd take some". That was about it though!
I'm surprised they want to give us any, mind. In the past we've generally let them off afterwards through lack of evidence!
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Post by patsy on Jan 22, 2009 10:41:06 GMT
No, there is really no reason for us to accept prisoners of the US who have little or no connection with this country, other than as a residence of convenience or pecuniary advantage. With regard to the Algerian and others who allegedly 'cannot' (or perhaps do not want to) return to their particular homeland (Algiers, Gaza) - they can ask a neighbouring or friendly Arab country for entry. Arab solidarity seems to extend readily to taking up grievances and demonstrating violently against the west, but not to actually helping their brethren. Our saying a clear 'No' would encourage muslim countries of North Africa and the ME to make a useful start in helping their own neighbours.
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Post by rjpageuk on Jan 22, 2009 11:38:52 GMT
I have spent some time on JSG I think arguing about the dubious claims from the Pentagon about people who have left Gtmo and gone back to "terrorism" so it is refreshing to see that article raise some of the points and not just toe the line it is given. (compare it to articles from others like this one.) The last time I checked it out in detail there isnt a single verified case of anyone leaving Gtmo and returning to terrorism but this doesnt stop the Pentagon telling us how many and releasing a few names and not a lot else. The idea is pretty absurd - even if they did how on earth would anyone know? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_released_Guantanamo_prisoners_who_allegedly_returned_to_battle |
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Post by trubble on Jan 22, 2009 13:07:47 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a detainee or 2 or 3 that upon leaving immediately returned to battle but 61 seems a scaremongering number and the details are so vague...it smacks of WMD reports. The wiki list confuses the issue even more. It reads as if Gitmo doesn't keep records of any description.  Let's imagine that the Pentagon's 61 claim is correct. That looks to me as if Gitmo has failed because what's the point of having a facility that can act beyond the law if it releases terrorists back to the front? |
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Post by trubble on Jan 22, 2009 13:09:36 GMT
They threw the line away in the lunchtime news saying that "We'd take some". That was about it though! As the little kid in Fairy Washing Up Liquid ads used to annoyingly say... But why? |
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Post by trubble on Jan 22, 2009 13:11:13 GMT
No, there is really no reason for us to accept prisoners of the US who have little or no connection with this country, other than as a residence of convenience or pecuniary advantage. With regard to the Algerian and others who allegedly 'cannot' (or perhaps do not want to) return to their particular homeland (Algiers, Gaza) - they can ask a neighbouring or friendly Arab country for entry. Arab solidarity seems to extend readily to taking up grievances and demonstrating violently against the west, but not to actually helping their brethren. Our saying a clear 'No' would encourage muslim countries of North Africa and the ME to make a useful start in helping their own neighbours. Except that neighbouring Arab countries would be helping the US not their neighbours presumably, and why would they do that? I can't imagine the Gitmo225 going anywhere but the USA. |
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Post by rjpageuk on Jan 22, 2009 13:18:43 GMT
The wiki list confuses the issue even more. It reads as if Gitmo doesn't keep records of any description. It is just a lack of released information and clarity. Some of the claims of people seemingly were never in Gtmo bay, others seemed to still be there after they were supposedly re-arrested/killed. It is just a lack of transparency which is one of the main problems of the place. This is an article based on the released info back in 2007 on the subject: www.huffingtonpost.com/h-candace-gorman-/return-to-the-battlefield_b_43344.html |
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Post by swl on Jan 22, 2009 13:30:23 GMT
The US made their bed, they should lie in it.
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Post by trubble on Jan 23, 2009 12:13:34 GMT
Apparently it's ''our'' bed - they are taking up a lot of the duvet.
Ireland, having previously vehemently refused, has just said that they will take some ex-detainees. I don't know if I mind or not, I just want to know why..
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