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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 26, 2012 15:45:25 GMT
You did all get the memo; it's not our fault!
Despite senior Labour politicans, the media et als trying to make out it was some kind of Scottish or (worse still) Weegie cock-up, the blame lies with (and the apology has come from) the Olympic Organising Committee people.
Remarkable how quick the rush to judgement was . . .
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Post by everso on Jul 26, 2012 17:18:55 GMT
Riot, have you been watching "2012" on BBC2? It's my current favourite, although it's now finished, obviously. This business was straight out of "2012". Talk about you couldn't make it up.
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Post by Patrick on Jul 27, 2012 11:34:53 GMT
An award for mega-quick thinking has to go to Specsavers advertising department - This appeared in the London Metro not long after.  |
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Post by everso on Jul 27, 2012 17:43:58 GMT
You have to admire the advertising industry sometimes!
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Post by aubrey on Jul 28, 2012 11:02:10 GMT
You did all get the memo; it's not our fault! Despite senior Labour politicans, the media et als trying to make out it was some kind of Scottish or (worse still) Weegie cock-up, the blame lies with (and the apology has come from) the Olympic Organising Committee people. Remarkable how quick the rush to judgement was . . . I think Scottish people are too sensitive to being confused with people from a country to the south for them to be responsible. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 28, 2012 21:11:11 GMT
You did all get the memo; it's not our fault! Despite senior Labour politicans, the media et als trying to make out it was some kind of Scottish or (worse still) Weegie cock-up, the blame lies with (and the apology has come from) the Olympic Organising Committee people. Remarkable how quick the rush to judgement was . . . I think the fact that the English have no idea how fucking rude and ignorant and exclusive and stereotyping they have been of the Scots for the past 300 years is astonishing. They are surprised that a growing number of us want to be independent. Indeed, they are offended by the very suggestion. I love England. I love English people. But you are really really not a very self-aware people in so many ways . . . |
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Post by aubrey on Jul 29, 2012 8:06:11 GMT
I didn't write that, Riot - you did. It never occurred to me to blame Scotland or Scottish people for that cock-up. Even if a Scottish person had been "responsible" in some way, I'd still have blamed the Olympics lot.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 29, 2012 11:16:01 GMT
I didn't write that, Riot - you did. It never occurred to me to blame Scotland or Scottish people for that cock-up. Even if a Scottish person had been "responsible" in some way, I'd still have blamed the Olympics lot. Excellent. I just read what I wrote. Don't recall typing a word of it. Here's to the wine goblins that live in my computer and come out to play later on on Saturday nights!  But you started it by saying Scots are too 'sensitive'. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 29, 2012 11:16:54 GMT
P.S. Aubrey, you may not be 'like that', but believe me, there are people who say "How can they ever run their own country if they can't get the right flag". It's a not uncommon sentiment.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 29, 2012 11:17:23 GMT
(And now I'm off to see what else the wine goblins typed last night . . )
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Post by aubrey on Jul 30, 2012 18:28:34 GMT
Riot!! Only too 'sensitive' to have made a mistake like that. I didn't mean too sensitive in general.
By the way, I don't think that British English thing is always fair. I am always - or always try to be - very precise about which I use. I'm English. I would refer to A Murray, if I ever had to refer to him, as Scottish. There are times when British is appropriate, though I can't think of any at the moment. Oh, British Empire - you're not getting out of that one heh heh. Seriously there were a lot of Scottish people involved - don't know about Welsh.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 30, 2012 18:41:44 GMT
Al Murray Scottish? Really?
Confused.com. I'da said he's quintessentially English.
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Post by everso on Jul 30, 2012 20:22:48 GMT
Aubs typed A. Murray - I think he meant Andy.
I only think of him as Scottish. Definitely not British. He's said as much, hasn't he?
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 31, 2012 8:55:29 GMT
Aubs typed A. Murray - I think he meant Andy. I only think of him as Scottish. Definitely not British. He's said as much, hasn't he? Ha ha . . I assumed A Murray was AL Murray, not ANDY . . . I'm such a eejit sometimes! Al Murray = English, not British Andy Murray = Scottish, not British Gotcha. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 31, 2012 8:57:18 GMT
Re. The Empire
Now THAT is one thing that, as Aubrey rightfully says, truly WAS 'BRITISH'.
The whole point of the political union between Scotland and England in 1707 was because Scotland wanted to develop colonies and trade, and the English (with their superior fleet) were actively preventing Scotland from doing so. The Union was all about empire, and access to trade.
No doubt about that at all.
My question is just, as it always is, without the empire, why bother with the Union?
Those days are past now,
And in the past, they must remain.
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Post by aubrey on Jul 31, 2012 9:56:56 GMT
Phew! You know more about it than me: and amazingly, what you know backed me up. Good work.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 31, 2012 10:48:49 GMT
Phew! You know more about it than me: and amazingly, what you know backed me up. Good work. Oh there's a history book "Scotland's Empire" by Devine which is pretty much compulsory reading for anyone interested in the Union and Scotland. In meticulous detail it explains how the Union came about because the merchant classes and monied classes wanted colonies and international trade, how they were blocked by the English, how the Union resulted, how the ordinary folk were opposed to the Union but it went through anyway, how it led to Scotland - esp. Glasgow - becoming incredibly wealthy via trade in the early days of the empire, and how Scots Presbyterian missionaries took the Presbyterian word of God out to Africa and spread the empire there, not for profit but because of their Christian zeal. I've come across local people called Heather in Jamaica and Malcolm in India . . . talking about non-white people . . .who had no idea that their names were Scottish. They just thought they were family names or whatever. You don't have to look far to see the legacy of Scotland's empire in the Commonwealth!!! On another board I used to post on there is a f***wit called 'A Pair of Socks' who is a great British Unionist, but not very bright. At one stage he was telling me how he had Scottish ancestors and how they had probably voted for the Union in the first place. Obviously, unless his ancestors were incredibly wealthy or incredibly aristocratic, his argument was absolutely wrong on every count (on account of there not being enfranchisement in those days!) but in the end he was blasting me for being 'a zealot' because I didn't accept his view of the Union. But there's a lot of people out there like that - or there certainly was on GWD. If I hear one more time 'If Scotland can . . why not Yorkshire?' I WILL punch someone. But this is typical of the mentality - they don't see the difference between Scotland and Yorkshire. |
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Post by aubrey on Jul 31, 2012 13:07:26 GMT
Aye - the beer's better in Yorkshire. Whisky's better in Scotland. And it takes longer to be accepted in Yorkshire.
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