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Post by Patrick on Feb 22, 2009 13:35:19 GMT
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Post by swl on Feb 22, 2009 13:36:55 GMT
Oi !!! I typed out a long reply to your original post, then lost it when you fannied around with your post.  I'm not typing it again  |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 22, 2009 13:40:12 GMT
Ohhhh! I'm Sorry, I didn't think there was anyone here! I looked at what I'd written and didn't think it sounded right - when I went to the page displaying the thread - nothing else had appeared so I wiped it.  If you go back on your browser the text might still be there - that 's how I reinstated the quote above. |
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 13:46:42 GMT
This is probably what it was like in the darkest days of the Soviet Union. I mean Patrick's ninja admin style, not the nannying.  |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 22, 2009 13:52:34 GMT
This is probably what it was like in the darkest days of the Soviet Union. I mean Patrick's ninja admin style, not the nannying. It was the cat wot did it all along..........  Name that cat? |
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Post by chrislord on Feb 22, 2009 16:16:30 GMT
Anyone under the age of 16 should not be out after 9pm in my humble.
Walking home from the local shops t'other night (it was about 10pm) two very young children passed me on some homemade type go kart thingy. I would say they must have been about 7. I did phone the local nick as they were veering onto the road at one point.
At that time of night, unsupervised like that it is child neglect...surely!
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 16:51:53 GMT
7 is different to 16 or 15 or 14...
Now think again. Really? Everyone under 16 at home with their horrible parents or playstation all the time? No youth clubs, guides, scouts, cubs, football, drama, music, parties allowed after 9? Sounds so healthy!
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Post by riotgrrl on Feb 22, 2009 17:55:20 GMT
Anyone under the age of 16 should not be out after 9pm in my humble. Bollocks. |
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Post by chrislord on Feb 22, 2009 17:57:04 GMT
7 is different to 16 or 15 or 14... Now think again. Really? Everyone under 16 at home with their horrible parents or playstation all the time? No youth clubs, guides, scouts, cubs, football, drama, music, parties allowed after 9? Sounds so healthy! That should have read ...not out UNSUPERVISED. Many teens unsupervised are not reciting Shakespeare or playing sports Trubbs. They are hanging round in large gangs, boozing and causing mischief. |
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Post by swl on Feb 22, 2009 18:28:27 GMT
That should have read ...not out UNSUPERVISED. Many teens unsupervised are not reciting Shakespeare or playing sports Trubbs. They are hanging round in large gangs, boozing and causing mischief. That's exactly what I did. Then I joined the RN and we did exactly the same. It's what people do, particularly teenage boys. You see the same behaviour in every society on earth and even in the animal kingdom. Adolescent lions band together and go wandering. It's perfectly natural. The problem is the almost visceral hatred our society has for young people. Time after time it's "Don't do this, don't do that, don't go here, don't go there" - it's a totally negative and self-defeating approach. Where groups indulge in criminal behaviour then fine, punish them. Otherwise, leave them alone. Sheesh, I sometimes think growing up will become a criminal offence in this country. |
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Post by chrislord on Feb 22, 2009 18:45:45 GMT
That should have read ...not out UNSUPERVISED. Many teens unsupervised are not reciting Shakespeare or playing sports Trubbs. They are hanging round in large gangs, boozing and causing mischief. That's exactly what I did. Then I joined the RN and we did exactly the same. It's what people do, particularly teenage boys. You see the same behaviour in every society on earth and even in the animal kingdom. Adolescent lions band together and go wandering. It's perfectly natural. The problem is the almost visceral hatred our society has for young people. Time after time it's "Don't do this, don't do that, don't go here, don't go there" - it's a totally negative and self-defeating approach. Where groups indulge in criminal behaviour then fine, punish them. Otherwise, leave them alone. Sheesh, I sometimes think growing up will become a criminal offence in this country. So I must be imagining the headlines of knife crimes, gang violence, teenage gang rapes, housing estates besieged by vandalism and campaigns of harrassment...all on the increase. We have more young people than ever before and particularly in London the gang culture depends on lots of kids hanging about and getting into trouble. Unsupervised and neglected. It certainly isn't natural for gangs of young men to roam around looking for girls to rape or someone to stab. Curfews would be the answer with tough penalties for parents who don't comply. Makes perfect sense to me. |
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Post by everso on Feb 22, 2009 19:00:41 GMT
Anyone under the age of 16 should not be out after 9pm in my humble.Walking home from the local shops t'other night (it was about 10pm) two very young children passed me on some homemade type go kart thingy. I would say they must have been about 7. I did phone the local nick as they were veering onto the road at one point. At that time of night, unsupervised like that it is child neglect...surely! Wha??? I didn't have to be in until 9.30 on school nights when I was 13 - except if I was going to a "dance" (they'd call them clubs nowadays, except the dances were held in church halls). On Friday nights I didn't have to be in until 11. Struth, Chris, you can't mollycoddle them at 15. They don't like it you know. I think, though, that after midnight is not on for the under 16s. But once they're out, what can you do if they up and decide not to come home when they should? |
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 19:54:22 GMT
I thought ASBOs were going to solve the knife wielding ones and include curfews and strict penalties. I thought some rule came in about not being able to assemble in groups larger than 5. (Thus preventing young people from acting out those sick Blyton Secret 7 books). Did I dream it?
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 19:58:11 GMT
7 is different to 16 or 15 or 14... Now think again. Really? Everyone under 16 at home with their horrible parents or playstation all the time? No youth clubs, guides, scouts, cubs, football, drama, music, parties allowed after 9? Sounds so healthy! That should have read ...not out UNSUPERVISED. Many teens unsupervised are not reciting Shakespeare or playing sports Trubbs. They are hanging round in large gangs, boozing and causing mischief. I had a surprise day off school when I was about 16 or 17 because the teachers staged a walk out and I and my friends read poetry on the hill to improve our minds. OmFingG.  Chris, I couldn't have gone to half the activities I went to such as youth club if I hadn't been allowed to walk home unsupervised. I wouldn't have been able to go on dates either!  When I was 15 a group of about twenty of us went away for a long weekend. A very cool teacher drove some us there and called in to visit us each day to appease the parents but he was just the driver and there was no 'supervision'. But we were nice kids. WE NICE KIDS MUST NOT BE PUNISHED, CHRIS, NOOOooo! |
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Post by chrislord on Feb 22, 2009 20:00:02 GMT
My eldest daughter is 14 now. She does go out but she has strict guidelines from her mum, and must be in by 9pm. Yes, sorry I think all under 16's should be in by 9pm unless they have adult supervision.
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Post by chrislord on Feb 22, 2009 20:08:52 GMT
That should have read ...not out UNSUPERVISED. Many teens unsupervised are not reciting Shakespeare or playing sports Trubbs. They are hanging round in large gangs, boozing and causing mischief. I had a surprise day off school when I was about 16 or 17 because the teachers staged a walk out and I and my friends read poetry on the hill to improve our minds. OmFingG. Chris, I couldn't have gone to half the activities I went to such as youth club if I hadn't been allowed to walk home unsupervised. I wouldn't have been able to go on dates either! When I was 15 a group of about twenty of us went away for a long weekend. A very cool teacher drove some us there and called in to visit us each day to appease the parents but he was just the driver and there was no 'supervision'. But we were nice kids. WE NICE KIDS MUST NOT BE PUNISHED, CHRIS, NOOOooo! ...and how many good kids are turned bad by outside influences? Certainly in the capital NO kids should be allowed out after 9. |
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Post by swl on Feb 22, 2009 21:23:21 GMT
Chris - the Daily Mail isn't real, it's entertainment for the easily amused. 999/1000 kids do not rape grannies or stab babies. Those surly kids in hoodies hanging around the street corner are surly because everybody keeps bad-mouthing them. Try saying "Hi" to them every now and again. This anti-social behaviour towards kids by adults becomes self-perpetuating after a while. What happens when they grow up and the most visible lesson on how to behave they've learned is to be suspicious and hateful towards others?
This fear and animosity towards kids works in exactly the same way as motorway traffic jams. A car slows down as it passes a dead hedgehog and the car behind it sees the brakelights and slows down too, but a second or so earlier. It hasn't seen the hedgehog, the driver is reacting to the brakelights of the guy in front. And the effect ripples down a line of traffic until you've got a truck hitting the brakes three miles back. It's the same with kids. You react negatively because a series of hysterical news stories act like flashing brakelights.
Kids almost always live up to expectations. If your expectations are set so low, can you be surprised that kids act the way they do around you?
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Post by Patrick on Feb 22, 2009 23:00:21 GMT
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