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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 20:16:41 GMT
so appeasement DOESN'T work and you were right all along...
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Feb 22, 2009 20:17:08 GMT
Yes, you have every right to say those things...and I support a board that gives you that right...but try saying it on the BBC or some other control freak board that doesn't like a bit of conflict or basic human honesty and see how long your post lasts... AH No one has the right in a public and shared forum to spout ignorant lies such as the jewish people are all lizards or something, do they though? That's not free speech, that's mental illness. Have you been banned from the BBC, Alph? Mental illness isn't a crime, people can say that the royal familly are all shifty-shapers if they want, doesn't do any harm. And I have been in pre-mod on the BBC...those thought police bastards vetting my posts before allowing them to be shown.  That's the road you go down when you say that folks shouldn't have freedom of speech...Orwellian style policing of "thought crimes" AH |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Feb 22, 2009 20:19:05 GMT
so appeasement DOESN'T work and you were right all along... Was there ever any doubt?  AH |
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 20:24:35 GMT
What are you trying to say on the BBC? I'll say it for you.  |
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 20:25:42 GMT
so appeasement DOESN'T work and you were right all along... Was there ever any doubt? AH Rjpageuk was muttering something in the back row but I took no notice because as you know I always agree with you about everything. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Feb 22, 2009 20:29:49 GMT
I'm not in pre-mod anymore, I was for several month's though...and I am still very bitter about it. You are very sensible to agree with me and ignore that silly Rob, you are also most kind to volunteer to smuggle messages into the BBC for me, those are the actions of a true pal. AH |
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 20:33:54 GMT
No one has the right in a public and shared forum to spout ignorant lies such as the jewish people are all lizards or something, do they though? That's not free speech, that's mental illness. Have you been banned from the BBC, Alph? Mental illness isn't a crime, people can say that the royal familly are all shifty-shapers if they want, doesn't do any harm. And I have been in pre-mod on the BBC...those thought police bastards vetting my posts before allowing them to be shown. That's the road you go down when you say that folks shouldn't have freedom of speech...Orwellian style policing of "thought crimes" AH Skankyjack is saying that the jews are responsible for every evil going. Don't you think he should be asked or told to stop selling his hate ideas on a forum that is shared by and part financed by fellow contributors that are jewish and as it turns out not responsible for all evil. If he is lying and besmirching them and therefore making the equally-shared space an unpleasant place to be for others, why should they stay?.... and why should they be the ones to leave? Get rid of the lying trouble maker not the normals. |
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 20:37:28 GMT
I'm not in pre-mod anymore, I was for several month's though...and I am still very bitter about it. You are very sensible to agree with me and ignore that silly Rob, you are also most kind to volunteer to smuggle messages into the BBC for me, those are the actions of a true pal. AH Any time.  T & C :trubble cannot accept liability for any Act of God that may destroy certain words in the message during transit - by reading this small print you have already agreed to the terms and conditions too late haha |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Feb 22, 2009 20:39:26 GMT
But nobody believes him when he says these things, he can bang on about the "Jew World Order" all he likes, he's not going to convince anybody though.
I still back his right to say those things, as I back JSG's right to be anti-israeli. I don't mind people having opinions (unlike the British gov who want to regulate blogs, regulate the internet etc).
AH
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Post by trubble on Feb 22, 2009 20:47:11 GMT
I really don't understand why you want to back someone's right to offend so much. By allowing him to post some of the rubbish he posts on JSG you are helping to validate him. I can't imagine you being so helpful if a muslim preacher was posting similar long tracts about english men. Did I mention the M word was banned here btw?  |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Feb 22, 2009 20:54:43 GMT
Muslims aren't British though, they are muslims first and muslims last. Let me put it another way. A charity case turns up at your door and you kindly take them in (when they have no right to demand it) then they start slagging you off, undermining you, disrespecting you and start trying to hurt your familly and tell them how to live...should you be expected to tolerate that? From some uppity stranger who doesn't even belong there? Rhetorical question of course, because you wouldn't tolerate it. It is the same with anybody who comes to this country, cap in hand, asking for asylum, shelter, protection etc. The moment they betray our trust and generous nature by working against us is the moment we should be deporting them without any apeal. I'll tolerate shit from my family, I won't tolerate it from strangers. AH ..........and you! ;D |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 22, 2009 22:33:43 GMT
I'm in a very sweary and combatitive mood tonight BTW.  AH Language Timothy! ......... or I might get the bold writing out!   |
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Post by rjpageuk on Feb 22, 2009 23:15:30 GMT
I'll tolerate shit from my family, I won't tolerate it from strangers. But jackblack is no more part of your family than the invented Muslim who wants to post long tracts of rubbish on a message board. If you are going to have the position you are on this topic (which incidentally is a rjpageuk supported positionTM) at least be consistent with it. If you are happy to allow jackblacks rantings you should be happy to allow the rantings of a deranged Muslim who thinks we should all live how we used to in the stone age. |
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Post by rjpageuk on Feb 22, 2009 23:22:21 GMT
By allowing him to post some of the rubbish he posts on JSG you are helping to validate him. I dont agree with this. People are free to post what they want within the rules of the message board, there is no implicit validation associated. The posts are linked to the person who made them not to the admin who run the board. I know we have had this conversation many times before and you link the point that by allowing such rubbish you encourage people who believe it to congregate but it isnt as simple as this. I post on another message board that allows people to post whatever opinions they want and yet it is very liberal as it is mostly young people (due to the way most people get there). The reason why JSG is how it is is because of the method of attracting people to the board not because its moderation policy is lenient. |
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Post by trubble on Feb 23, 2009 1:15:01 GMT
Well yes, rjpageUK, that is all very technical and legalese and logical (to be logical is not to be right - Spencer Treacy in The Nuremburg Trials) but let us talk with our hearts and souls and our conscience. We know that the amount and type of jew-hating that that one particular person gets up to is right in line with the Nazi policy that ended up in mass murder with the aim of purging Europe. Let's not pretend it's just an opinion and free speech. He has called it 'evangelising' when he posts on Stropfront. He is evangelising not discussing.
I think you have a good point but you are ignoring the people who registered and left. They were gathered from the same sources and method but its content is such that it appears to be an extremist and/or racist board. About 50 people post there each day and there are about 600 members still listed. You are the mathematical guy, don't the numbers tell you that the method of attracting people is not the underlying reason that the board is the way it is.
What is the moderation policy there?
I used to know, I think I did anyway. It was free speech within some decent and wide boundaries. What would you have to do to get suspended there now?
I am tempted to join and find out.
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Post by trubble on Feb 23, 2009 1:17:36 GMT
I'll tolerate shit from my family, I won't tolerate it from strangers. But jackblack is no more part of your family than the invented Muslim who wants to post long tracts of rubbish on a message board. If you are going to have the position you are on this topic (which incidentally is a rjpageuk supported positionTM) at least be consistent with it. If you are happy to allow jackblacks rantings you should be happy to allow the rantings of a deranged Muslim who thinks we should all live how we used to in the stone age. Exactly. |
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Post by trubble on Feb 23, 2009 1:19:27 GMT
Muslims aren't British though, they are muslims first and muslims last. Let me put it another way. A charity case turns up at your door and you kindly take them in (when they have no right to demand it) then they start slagging you off, undermining you, disrespecting you and start trying to hurt your familly and tell them how to live...should you be expected to tolerate that? From some uppity stranger who doesn't even belong there? AH This is how I feel about JerkBalck. He was looking for somewhere where he could speak openly but his idea of speaking openly is to hurt my family. |
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Post by trubble on Feb 23, 2009 1:25:17 GMT
Did I mention the M word was banned here btw? mortal orchard ?  |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 23, 2009 1:32:05 GMT
Did I mention the M word was banned here btw? mortal orchard ? See me afterwards.  |
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Post by housesparrow on Feb 23, 2009 6:26:03 GMT
I'm amazed that so much conflict is gong on on the Mortal Orchard! Every time I pop in there seem to be no discussions going on at all.
I enjoy reading different opinions provided they are well argued and often they are not. Posters who say "stuff human rights!" or words to that effect, pop in a self-congratulatory avatar and sit back just don't interest me.
What finished the MO for me - and you may as well know it Chris - was removing the freespeach link, and your comments about the admin there. It struck me as "unecessary", as a favourite aunt might say.
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