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Post by trubble on Feb 25, 2009 9:34:28 GMT
..and family. His son, Ivan, seen here in David's arms, has died.   Poor family. |
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Post by everso on Feb 25, 2009 12:16:30 GMT
..and family. His son, Ivan, seen here in David's arms, has died. Poor family. Trubs I could have cried when I heard the news this morning. How awful for them, especially when you're in the public gaze as they are. I do hope the newspapers respect their request for privacy. |
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Post by trubble on Feb 25, 2009 13:26:27 GMT
It's called showing empathy and respect, Patrick.
I think it was fitting.
When such unhappiness visits very senior management, MDs, CEOs etc, a company often closes for a day as a mark of respect.
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Post by percyplum on Feb 25, 2009 13:29:32 GMT
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought only Prime Ministers Question Time had been suspended. The country hasn't exactly ground to a halt.
I have friends with a severely disabled son (cerebral palsy) and I have every sympathy with the Camerons.
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Post by motorist on Feb 25, 2009 13:33:07 GMT
It's not something I've heard of since the 1950's perhaps. When did you last work in one? When I was working for Allders we had a mourning thingy when a former boss committed suicide |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 25, 2009 13:33:07 GMT
I'm deleting my "so" offensive post then - sorry for any inconvenience caused!
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Post by chrislord on Feb 25, 2009 13:46:39 GMT
Where has all this 'grief' come from for celebs? Which is all Cameron is of course. Did it begin with the sickening hysteria when Diana died?
I'm sorry but people in the spotlight have to endure tragedy too. But it doesn't mean we should be anymore 'saddened' then if it's the family at the end of the road.
I mean what did the Queen Mother do to warrant a bloody bronze statue in Whitehall?
I am saddened to read about the death of any child ( I can assure you I will remain as dry eyed as a desert when that Goody woman dies), but not more saddened because he was the son of David Cameron.
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Post by chrislord on Feb 25, 2009 13:54:50 GMT
..and please please don't tell me that more people will vote for Cameron because of this news? (yep) Oh for pity's sake.  |
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Post by percyplum on Feb 25, 2009 14:00:50 GMT
How strange. I don't think anyone with a modicum of intelligence would dismiss this as a publicity stunt.
It's nothing to do with "celebrity", it's simply acknowledging that human grief can cross political divides.
And why shouldn't the Queen Mother have a statue? She was a fantastic figurehead for ordinary people during WW11 and commanded a lot of respect and, dare I say it, love.
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Post by Patrick on Feb 25, 2009 14:15:13 GMT
It's not something I've heard of since the 1950's perhaps. When did you last work in one? When I was working for Allders we had a mourning thingy when a former boss committed suicide Plenty - and when they died they died. However, If Alders was anything like Fenwicks where I a lot of my friends worked - I assume it was a very family orientated firm where the bosses weren't afraid to get down and dirty with the shop floor staff - this happened with Fenwicks when they opened in Tunbridge Wells and you had the bosses and CEO's working with the rest of the staff in shifting boxes around, putting up displays and unpacking stuff. Subtle difference somehow. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Feb 25, 2009 14:15:22 GMT
Where has all this 'grief' come from for celebs? Which is all Cameron is of course. Did it begin with the sickening hysteria when Diana died? I'm sorry but people in the spotlight have to endure tragedy too. But it doesn't mean we should be anymore 'saddened' then if it's the family at the end of the road. I mean what did the Queen Mother do to warrant a bloody bronze statue in Whitehall? I am saddened to read about the death of any child ( I can assure you I will remain as dry eyed as a desert when that Goody woman dies), but not more saddened because he was the son of David Cameron. Chris, this is wrong on so many levels. Of course David Cameron is not a celebrity. He is a politician. He is the leader of the UK Opposition. He is famous because of this, not because he has been on Big Brother or had his photo in Hello. Are you suggesting that it would be better if our leading politicians were UNKNOWN? As a potential future leader of the UK, I think interest in who David Cameron is and what makes him tick is part of transparent democracy and should not be equated with wanting to know, for example, which models are shagging which footballers. And much as I am no fan of the late QM, as the mother of our Head of State and a former Queen herself, she had an important constitutional role. Statues of members of the royal family are hardly some new thing marking a cult of celebritisation; such statues have been being erected for hundreds of years. Your argument holds no water. |
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Post by motorist on Feb 25, 2009 14:18:52 GMT
When did you last work in one? When I was working for Allders we had a mourning thingy when a former boss committed suicide Plenty - and when they died they died. However, If Alders was anything like Fenwicks where I a lot of my friends worked - I assume it was a very family orientated firm where the bosses weren't afraid to get down and dirty with the shop floor staff - this happened with Fenwicks when they opened in Tunbridge Wells and you had the bosses and CEO's working with the rest of the staff in shifting boxes around, putting up displays and unpacking stuff. Subtle difference somehow. Nothing like that for us, no. The senior bosses were very aloof, but the floor managers were on the same floor as their peeps. The one I mentioned just made the occasional quiz, played Freecell, and occasionally say "what's happening" when a deadline came up |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 25, 2009 14:20:02 GMT
I mean what did the Queen Mother do to warrant a bloody bronze statue in Whitehall? ........because the Queen Mother was more accessible to the people than any other, certainly the current generation of Royals She stayed in London when the bombs fell and put something into the war effort, for that people were very grateful. They just liked her for what she was, in the days before spin doctors etc - she knew what the right thing to do (usually) by putting her public first. |
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Post by motorist on Feb 25, 2009 14:31:28 GMT
Anyway, I agree with Trubs, and hope him and his family gets through this without too much more intrusion by the media on their privacy  |
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Post by trubble on Feb 25, 2009 14:36:59 GMT
Then why even mention her?
It's a cruel statement that doesn't need to be said. Either have a heart or some decorum.
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Post by trubble on Feb 25, 2009 14:42:05 GMT
I'm deleting my "so" offensive post then - sorry for any inconvenience caused!  If I was in charge round here I'd remove the post-deletion facility. People can be so very touchy! Should I not speak anymore for fear of making people delete their posts? Shall I delete all my offensive posts too?* *Please say no as it will take me the rest of the frickin afternoon. |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 25, 2009 14:48:38 GMT
I'm deleting my "so" offensive post then - sorry for any inconvenience caused! If I was in charge round here I'd remove the post-deletion facility. People can be so very touchy! Should I not speak anymore for fear of making people delete their posts? Shall I delete all my offensive posts too?* *Please say no as it will take me the rest of the frickin afternoon. No. I got cross about the overbearing nature of the news broadcasts - and it is they who are to blame if anything. I'd just switched on here and let forth my burst of anger at the way they were going on. Also, just the other night BB and I were talking about some of the injustices we had to put up with in our lives and some of that anger was reflected in my post too. Sorry. |
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Post by chrislord on Feb 25, 2009 15:01:19 GMT
Where has all this 'grief' come from for celebs? Which is all Cameron is of course. Did it begin with the sickening hysteria when Diana died? I'm sorry but people in the spotlight have to endure tragedy too. But it doesn't mean we should be anymore 'saddened' then if it's the family at the end of the road. I mean what did the Queen Mother do to warrant a bloody bronze statue in Whitehall? I am saddened to read about the death of any child ( I can assure you I will remain as dry eyed as a desert when that Goody woman dies), but not more saddened because he was the son of David Cameron. Chris, this is wrong on so many levels. Of course David Cameron is not a celebrity. He is a politician. He is the leader of the UK Opposition. He is famous because of this, not because he has been on Big Brother or had his photo in Hello. Are you suggesting that it would be better if our leading politicians were UNKNOWN? As a potential future leader of the UK, I think interest in who David Cameron is and what makes him tick is part of transparent democracy and should not be equated with wanting to know, for example, which models are shagging which footballers. And much as I am no fan of the late QM, as the mother of our Head of State and a former Queen herself, she had an important constitutional role. Statues of members of the royal family are hardly some new thing marking a cult of celebritisation; such statues have been being erected for hundreds of years. Your argument holds no water. But he's still a celebrity. I think my argument you have misunderstood. I want to know where all this hysteria for people we don't know has come from? That's my point. I'm not arguing wether or not Cameron is a celebrity, because he patently is, as well as being a politician. celebrity
Noun
1. a famous person
2. the state of being famous |
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Post by percyplum on Feb 25, 2009 15:30:10 GMT
What "hysteria"?
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Post by Patrick on Feb 25, 2009 15:39:40 GMT
Well, One day a wysteria meets a hysteria and they go out a lot and have a lot of fun together - some time along that line they decide to get married because they like each other so much and eventually they have lots of little sterias - "lysteria" if you like. So a Hysteria is a Daddy steria, ;D |
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