stephan
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Post by stephan on Mar 20, 2009 17:22:51 GMT
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 20, 2009 17:30:28 GMT
All I remember about school is the shagging, the drugs and the passing exams. I have passed my exams,given up drugs-but should you ever wish to don one`s uniform again there is one thing?  You dirty old man!!! Actually, school uniforms which show off legs but conceal a slight mother-of-two belly would be a great look for me. I think my legs and my torso belong to two different women. One is maternal and in her 40s, and the other is fit, toned, athletic and can wear micro-minis without shame. Next fancy dress party I'm deffo doing a Madonna and wearing a school uniform. (Except that I wouldn't go to a fancy dress party . small weakness in the plan.) |
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Post by housesparrow on Mar 20, 2009 17:33:32 GMT
What drew you to that conclusion, Riotgrrl?
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 20, 2009 17:39:12 GMT
What drew you to that conclusion, Riotgrrl? The way your pupils dilated as you posted about him. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 20, 2009 17:39:56 GMT
Tip Housey - if you don't want people to work out who you fancy on MBs, wear sunglasses when you are posting.
Oh I've just remembered something else I meant to say on another thread . .
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Post by swl on Mar 20, 2009 17:47:56 GMT
Tip Housey - if you don't want people to work out who you fancy on MBs, wear sunglasses when you are posting. Oh I've just remembered something else I meant to say on another thread . . I love the way you can sometimes see the cogs rustily jerking around as Riot posts ;D |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 20, 2009 17:53:37 GMT
Tip Housey - if you don't want people to work out who you fancy on MBs, wear sunglasses when you are posting. Oh I've just remembered something else I meant to say on another thread . . I love the way you can sometimes see the cogs rustily jerking around as Riot posts ;D My brain is a most efficient machine SWL, but sometimes I give it the wrong fuel. |
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Post by swl on Mar 20, 2009 17:57:50 GMT
When they were handing out brains I thought they said "trains", so I asked for a small choo-choo.
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stephan
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Post by stephan on Mar 20, 2009 18:06:42 GMT
You dirty old man!!!
Yes!!!-I got to 5,got my 11+,got to go to Uni,got a PhD,made it through 40,and even 50-and now this tribute-a dirty old man
But I would take exception-old yes-but my personal hygeine is impeccable
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Post by jean on Mar 20, 2009 21:38:19 GMT
I do know that if the girls' school I attended had not been so severely segregated from the boys' school across the road fifty years ago, I could not have failed to meet Paul McCartney.I have spent the intervening years worrying about how my life might have been different. Jean I was out for lunch with my Mother and am therefore a bit pissed (we haven't spoken since the Christmas Peado-incident, and things have been a bit fraught). Therefore I am struggling with your negatives. Did you meet Paul, or did you not meet Paul? Which is it that you are burdened with? Ah...yes. I think I have got the right number of negatives, but maybe I was drunk too. Let's see...things being as they were, I did not meet Sir Paul when we were both at school. If things had been different, I almost certainly would have met him. I could hardly have failed to. But actually I have spent no time at all worrying about this. (I think that, like housesparrow, I would almost certainly have preferred the horse.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 13:44:43 GMT
I have not seen this new research, but the research findings that have been around for years held I think that while girls did better in single-sex schools, boys did less well. We discussed this boys' creativity thing at some length somewhere, didn't we? Was it on the old WH board? Have you got a link? We discussed it on worralorra recently (not terribly enthusiastically) I think. Forgive me if I don't post a link to this fluffy place. As for Paul McCartney, Jean - a few years back I met him riding his horse on his land (a footpath runs through it). He had the most beautiful physique, amazing movement and deep liquid eyes. When he curled his tongue round the corner of his mouth I nearly swooned. Unfortunately he started getting a bit impatient so Sir Paul (who has not aged well) had to take him for a swift canter. I saw it coming , but still ......  |
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Post by luc on Mar 21, 2009 18:57:01 GMT
From speaking to friends, several of whom went to single sex private(public) schools, it seems there is a much stronger sense of heirarchy, and much greater negative sanctions for those children who step out of the mould that the children have chosen for everyone else to conform to. Co-ed education does allow both boys and girls to step outside these power structures.. That's an interesting observation. I can apply it to my own situation and friends now I think of it. Hmm. It's true. They do, my sister's hen party had 2 men at it because her best friend is male, and from school days. I'm not so sure about that one.. .. alpha males and alpha females tended to pair off in my school and so on down the line. In response to your last point- I agree, I think what I meant to say is that girls or boys who are not well regarded amongst their peers of the same sex can "swap" to other genders groups - where they might still be picked on for being a "tomboy" or a "sissy", but are more likely to get some degree of defense from their own peer group. It was my experience that those who suffered bullying from peers and their own gender (girls in particular) would be very strongly defended by the boys who they friends with, who in turn considered them "one of us". Does that make sense? This is not based at all on fact, just some personal observation. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Mar 21, 2009 19:20:13 GMT
I can see what you are driving at luc.
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Post by Flatypus on Mar 21, 2009 23:31:09 GMT
Thought, that often it is not what people (or children) think that matters, as much as what they think other people think. This business of pupils in mixed sex schools feeling freer to step out of line may favour girls to the detriment of their achievement.
A girl will always find some boy to take her under his wing if she acts helpless enough. There's a fair chance that the most likely boys will themselves will be those whose own credentials aren't brilliant and of course appreciate the female attention and somebody looking up to them as smart. At the other end, maybe older intelligent boys and girls will be attracted to each other and together appreciate each other's help in weaknesses so that collectively they both do better than individually. But that is more post-school young adult stuff.
Feeble female types in a single-sex school are going to feel put down and try harder. In a mixed sex school they have two opposing strategies to avoid making the effort. One is to latch onto boys to do it all for them, the other is to quote feminist rhetoric that the whole system is skewed against them and it they should be entitled.
Boys probably come off better. The social misfits are more likely to be intelligent and unsporty. Some girls will take them under their wing. They are more likely to encourage them as a sort of performing pet, while the less academic boys get the female attention that yobs have always had from girls who envy them as able to do what they can't, or these days to encourage them by playing up with a rivalry to encourage their anti-social behaviour.
So conservative beliefs will likely cause conservative relationships to develop that don't bother the brighter boys but do discourage the lazier girls from trying as hard as they would without boys to validate them or to blame.
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Post by Patrick on Mar 21, 2009 23:55:59 GMT
You dirty old man!!! Yes!!!-I got to 5,got my 11+,got to go to Uni,got a PhD,made it through 40,and even 50-and now this tribute-a dirty old man But I would take exception-old yes-but my personal hygeine is impeccable It's alright Stephan - Riot calls everyone that!  |
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 22, 2009 0:02:53 GMT
You dirty old man!!! Yes!!!-I got to 5,got my 11+,got to go to Uni,got a PhD,made it through 40,and even 50-and now this tribute-a dirty old man But I would take exception-old yes-but my personal hygeine is impeccable It's alright Stephan - Riot calls everyone that! Not true. Only chaps. |
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Post by swl on Mar 22, 2009 0:34:49 GMT
Thought, that often it is not what people (or children) think that matters, as much as what they think other people think. This business of pupils in mixed sex schools feeling freer to step out of line may favour girls to the detriment of their achievement. A girl will always find some boy to take her under his wing if she acts helpless enough. There's a fair chance that the most likely boys will themselves will be those whose own credentials aren't brilliant and of course appreciate the female attention and somebody looking up to them as smart. At the other end, maybe older intelligent boys and girls will be attracted to each other and together appreciate each other's help in weaknesses so that collectively they both do better than individually. But that is more post-school young adult stuff. Feeble female types in a single-sex school are going to feel put down and try harder. In a mixed sex school they have two opposing strategies to avoid making the effort. One is to latch onto boys to do it all for them, the other is to quote feminist rhetoric that the whole system is skewed against them and it they should be entitled. Boys probably come off better. The social misfits are more likely to be intelligent and unsporty. Some girls will take them under their wing. They are more likely to encourage them as a sort of performing pet, while the less academic boys get the female attention that yobs have always had from girls who envy them as able to do what they can't, or these days to encourage them by playing up with a rivalry to encourage their anti-social behaviour. So conservative beliefs will likely cause conservative relationships to develop that don't bother the brighter boys but do discourage the lazier girls from trying as hard as they would without boys to validate them or to blame. You're over analysing things and applying ideology retrospectively. Aged 5 - 11/12, kids play. Any knowledge gained in education is incidental. The boys play with the boys, the girls with the girls. (Effeminate boys played with the girls). Age 12 - 16, hormones kick in and it's all about SEX. Those too ugly or immature to get any concentrate on studies. In my experience, boys in single sex schools objectify girls because the only examples they have are in magazines and on the telly. Girls aren't real. When they encounter them, they either keep their distance or pursue them with avarice. The only girls I ever met from girl's schools were posh ones from a boarding school. Every holiday, there would be parties at the posh houses in Lower Largo and the girls were sex mad. I can only assume they were reacting to the single sex environment the same way boys do. Mixed schools encourage contact and yes, there'll be sex and relationships, but the kids grow up to regard each other as people, not things. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Mar 22, 2009 1:01:33 GMT
+1
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Post by Patrick on Mar 22, 2009 1:18:12 GMT
Aged 5 - 11/12, kids play. Any knowledge gained in education is incidental. The boys play with the boys, the girls with the girls. (Effeminate boys played with the girls). Hmmmm, wonder how that explains the young gypsy girl called Elizabeth who chased me round the school woods seven times, wanting a kiss. We were 8! |
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Post by Flatypus on Mar 22, 2009 1:18:15 GMT
I'd agree with you SWL but I'm not at all sure that girls in single-sex schools do not just as much objectify boys as idealised providers of all they could ever want without expecting anything from them except the privilege of being allowed to serve. These days that includes sex openly where maybe when I was at school, that was something for them to whisper and giggle about without admitting that they might actually enjoy it even though every one must have realised that the others felt just like her. I recall a certain coffee bar where girls would congregate on the uinderstanding that if a boy bought for them, they would give him the thrill of sitting on his hand. Never to be mentioned that perhaps she enjoyed it too.
I never went there because I wanted to girls to be friends and if they enjoyed something, to be honest about it, not pretend it was a service they had to be paid for. I had to go to Poly in England to find young women like that instead of girls and, as quotes in another thread show, there are still girls who think of sensuality as sex that it is impertenant for males to imagine females capable of asserting as equals with them.
I feel I may have given a possible mechanism why girls might do better without boys to fall back on, and why this would not be as harmful for the boys.
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