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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 14:40:42 GMT
its the original tape of the interview with attitude that we really need to hear in order to clear ut up once and for all, as Fry claims Attitude magazine misqwuoted him from that. But to be honest with you, its far easier to believe that Fry needs to learn to put on a zip on it now and again rather than delve into the matter of wether he was unfairly qwuoted.
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Post by aubrey on Nov 4, 2010 19:45:21 GMT
(I went off the Observer when they had a thing about holidays in England, in which the journalist said that the co-op in some N Yorks town even had Champagne! At this time, the Co-op on Lambeth Walk (maybe less than a mile from the Observer's offices) also had Champagne, though no one from the Observer would ever think of going to somewhere like that. Gits. God, that must have been 20 years ago, and it still rankles.) And why wouldn't they go there? Because they're so London-centric that that it does not occur to them that there are people in other parts of the country who just might want to go to Lambeth on holiday! I think it was a class thing. People from the Observer wouldn't be seen dead on Lambeth Walk. (I don't go there much since the Co-op closed.) |
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Post by jean on Nov 4, 2010 22:50:32 GMT
Doh! It's the Attitude article that's wanted, of course, not the Observer's... What a disappointment! I thought we had uncovered hidden depths! Aubrey...you may not have noticed this, but the Observer doesn't do holiday specials about Hampstead either. |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 5, 2010 11:33:52 GMT
What a disappointment! I thought we had uncovered hidden depths! I see. Inverse patronmatronisation. Thank you very much. |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 5, 2010 18:39:41 GMT
Doh! It's the Attitude article that's wanted, of course, not the Observer's... What a disappointment! I thought we had uncovered hidden depths! Aubrey...you may not have noticed this, but the Observer doesn't do holiday specials about Hampstead either. They didn't need to go on holiday to find champagne in the Co-op. They could just have gone into a local co-op. That's why I said it was a class thing, more than a Londoncentric thing. I will always shop in the Co-op if I get the chance (no chance these days). I don't think writers for The Observer do, or did. The Co-op's a bit Proley for them, which is why that woman was surprised to find champagne there. And she only went in the Co-op because she was on holiday. |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 5, 2010 18:56:53 GMT
I will always shop in the Co-op if I get the chance (no chance these days). I don't think writers for The Observer do, or did. The Co-op's a bit Proley for them, which is why that woman was surprised to find champagne there. And she only went in the Co-op because she was on holiday. Plenty of Coops around here, Aubrey, and Coops were the only major shops I saw in the Hebrides last year. It's a good chain. Some of their own brands are first class. Aldi and Lidl, and no doubt Netto and Kwiksave, sell champagne as well, by the way. Champagne is a simple commodity like caviar (Aldi, Lidl), mobiles, chiabatta, and computers these days. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 5, 2010 19:47:09 GMT
I will always shop in the Co-op if I get the chance (no chance these days). I don't think writers for The Observer do, or did. The Co-op's a bit Proley for them, which is why that woman was surprised to find champagne there. And she only went in the Co-op because she was on holiday. Plenty of Coops around here, Aubrey, and Coops were the only major shops I saw in the Hebrides last year. It's a good chain. Some of their own brands are first class. Aldi and Lidl, and no doubt Netto and Kwiksave, sell champagne as well, by the way. Champagne is a simple commodity like caviar (Aldi, Lidl), mobiles, chiabatta, and computers these days. The caviar at the Grand Central Hotel Champagne Bar last weekend was £85 a serving. Is that not quite dear for a bar snack? |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 5, 2010 20:47:33 GMT
The caviar at the Grand Central Hotel Champagne Bar last weekend was £85 a serving. Is that not quite dear for a bar snack? " Fortnum and Mason's sells mouth-watering Beluga Caviar at £900 for a 100g tin. Aldi does the same amount for £1.69.
Ok, it's lumpfish rather than Beluga but unless you invite Gordon Ramsay for lunch, your guests probably won't notice the difference." That's from 2008, at www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/12/13/merry-crunchmas-have-an-amazing-christmas-at-a-budget-price-115875-20966544/To be fair, "won't notice the difference" is going a bit far, since Beluga is black, and lumpfish is luminous scarlet. I have no problem believing that the taste is the same, given that the only time I had Beluga -- at a wedding reception in Sussex -- it looked like bits of blackberry, was textured like couscous, and tasted mostly of salt. You pays your money, etc. |
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Post by revisedartlily on Nov 6, 2010 11:17:32 GMT
IF i wasn't happily married and
IF he was offering and
EVEN IF i was desperate
I would not fancy Stephen Fry.
He is funny and clever I reckon but is disappearing up his own bumhole with self satisfaction and that is never pretty.
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Post by jean on Nov 6, 2010 13:40:12 GMT
Aldi and Lidl, and no doubt Netto and Kwiksave, sell champagne as well, by the way. Kwiksave? Where have you been? They got absorbed by Somerfield ages ago and now the local ex-Kwikky's ex-Somerfield is...a Co-Op. Good Prosecco in Lidl, btw. |
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Post by Patrick on Nov 6, 2010 13:42:43 GMT
IF i wasn't happily married and IF he was offering and EVEN IF i was desperate I would not fancy Stephen Fry. He is funny and clever I reckon but is disappearing up his own bumhole with self satisfaction and that is never pretty. Post of the Week. - If we bothered with that sort of thing. |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 6, 2010 14:21:47 GMT
Aldi and Lidl, and no doubt Netto and Kwiksave, sell champagne as well, by the way. Kwiksave? Where have you been? They got absorbed by Somerfield ages ago and now the local ex-Kwikky's ex-Somerfield is...a Co-Op. Good Prosecco in Lidl, btw. They weren't all absorbed, even after the Coop liberation. There still seems to be one in Shrewsbury, for instance, the town that time forgot. The one in Welshpool is now a Sainsbury. |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 6, 2010 16:05:34 GMT
It wasn't even an interview:
Anyway, I did a photo-shoot for the magazine, during which and after which I conversed with a profiler. I can’t remember his name and I haven’t actually read the article he wrote as a result. They sent me three copies of the magazine and I looked at the photo on the front cover and now the magazines lie piled up somewhere. However vain, smug and self-worshipping you may think me, and I’m aware that many think me a revolting compound of all those things, I can promise you that I almost never watch the programmes I make nor do I read articles about me or interviews that I’ve given. Nor would you if you were me. Well, I chatted to this fellow on the day; he seemed very nice and very charming and we had a pleasant, relaxed and easy conversation. That’s the word, a conversation. I remember very little of it, but I can picture the narrow little room in which the latter part of it took place. At some point we chatted about gay sexuality – well, you would wouldn’t you, for a gay magazine? – and as part of that conversation I repeated the old canard about how men, unlike women, were cursed with their uniquely pressing and annoying libidos. Straight men I have known have often (of course mostly in a kind of bitter jest) said how much they envied gay people the simplicity of their erotic lifestyles (cottaging and cruising and so on) and I vamped for a while on that theme. I do not believe it as some kind of eternal gender truth, I was simply taking a thought for a walk, I was “playing gracefully with ideas” to repeat Oscar’s great phrase, or at least attempting to do so. But the important thing to remember is that the subject was not straight female sexuality, but gay male sexuality. It’s the only sexuality of which I have direct experience and how could I presume to speak of any other?
Was it naïve in me that it never for a second crossed my mind that this conversation would be sold on to other papers? That it would be “picked up” and make a disastrous move from being a conversation to some kind of public “declaration”? “Stephen Fry declares that women don’t enjoy sex.” It was as if I had called a press conference in order to give the world the benefit of my wisdom. For heaven’s arsing sake. Aside from anything else, the whole exchange was a steal from a book I wrote almost twenty years ago called The Hippopotamus in which a rancid, cantankerous old poet called Ted Wallace (loosely based on a compendium of Simon Gray, Kingsley Amis, John Osborne and others) bewails his inability to get his end away as easily as his gay friends appear to and so goes on about how women don’t really have the same urges as men. That was the whole point, it was a comic silliness aimed at a gay readership...(Page 2) |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 6, 2010 16:17:10 GMT
Also,
"You will perhaps say that after nearly 30 years in the public realm I should have known better than to allow myself to have a free-wheeling happy, explorative and silly conversation with any journalist. Maybe I should have guessed that the interviewer wanted not an interview but a story. I should have known that comic exaggeration, so much the chief mode of a humorist, can easily be made to look bad when wrenched from context and nailed up as a proclamation. I admit that I do have a sometimes disastrous tendency, when asked a question, to answer it, often jokingly, or in the interests of ventilating a new thought that has struck, or more or less as the mood takes me but certainly too much without any consideration of the possible consequences. I am not, after all, a politician who has to weigh every syllable and its chances of giving offence. Maybe I should be more aware that those who wish me ill are always likely to seize on such instances and use them as a fly-whisk with which to spank me."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 16:34:18 GMT
Also, "You will perhaps say that after nearly 30 years in the public realm I should have known better than to allow myself to have a free-wheeling happy, explorative and silly conversation with any journalist. Maybe I should have guessed that the interviewer wanted not an interview but a story. I should have known that comic exaggeration, so much the chief mode of a humorist, can easily be made to look bad when wrenched from context and nailed up as a proclamation. I admit that I do have a sometimes disastrous tendency, when asked a question, to answer it, often jokingly, or in the interests of ventilating a new thought that has struck, or more or less as the mood takes me but certainly too much without any consideration of the possible consequences. I am not, after all, a politician who has to weigh every syllable and its chances of giving offence. Maybe I should be more aware that those who wish me ill are always likely to seize on such instances and use them as a fly-whisk with which to spank me."methinks the Fry dost protest too much. no seriously, could he re-explain it again, just to clarify absolutely that he was hilariously joking and got right proper stitched up by the nasty journalist who printed the funny words what he said verbatim and made it look like somethink else entirely? just one more time, so we are clear.  |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 6, 2010 16:47:49 GMT
methinks the Fry dost protest too much. no seriously, could he re-explain it again, just to clarify absolutely that he was hilariously joking and got right proper stitched up by the nasty journalist who printed the funny words what he said verbatim and made it look like somethink else entirely? just one more time, so we are clear. Could not have put it better myself, Costy. And this . . . 1. Yes, indeed it was. and/or 2. I don't believe him anyway. To think -- I used to admire this posing insult to our intelligence. Harumph! Or even Yaroo! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 0:40:45 GMT
All of which ignores the essential truth ......... Women's sex drives are rarely the same as mens ....in my limited experience .  Never had any complaints either ... before you start ! |
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Post by everso on Nov 7, 2010 0:54:30 GMT
I tend to agree, ARF.
Women have to be in the mood; men are always in the mood.
Love that Glenn Miller tune
I defy anyone to listen to it and not find themselves jiggling their toes.
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Post by aubrey on Nov 7, 2010 9:11:07 GMT
As Fry says - he's not a politician, so why should he have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation? It's not important, what he says. He's not an arbiter of taste, or morals. He's just a bloke who is on the telly. He has never said that he's especially intelligent (really: he has said the opposite), or has any great insight. If people want to believe that he is, or has, that is not really anything to do with him.
Most people can say this kind of thing - as ARF and Everso have just done - and no one's going to care. It's not put all over newspapers and messageboards: "Everso says: 'Women not always ready for sex' storm."
The people who got most het up about this tended to be the people who didn't like him in the first place. Any stick you can get to beat a bloke with, eh? Any time he doesn't take care over everything he says?
Can anyone justify everything they've said in a casual conversation, even with someone they don't know very well?
(Actually, some women do engage in cottaging-like sex - dogging. But these are women with no self respect, and probably a good deal of self-hatred as well. They couldn't do it otherwise. Men who do it hate women as well.)
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Post by Weyland on Nov 7, 2010 10:00:04 GMT
All of which ignores the essential truth ......... Women's sex drives are rarely the same as mens ....in my limited experience . Never had any complaints either ... before you start ! I don't think anyone was claiming they are the same, ARF. That wouldn't be natural. |
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Never had any complaints either ... before you start ! 
