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Post by philippa on Nov 7, 2010 21:54:38 GMT
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Post by jean on Nov 7, 2010 21:54:43 GMT
instead of denegrating women perhaps he's saying more about penis rampant. It's perfectly possible to do both. What has really annoyed me about this is that it just plays into the hands of those who want to argue that homosexual people really hate the other sex. |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 7, 2010 22:23:12 GMT
What has really annoyed me about this is that it just plays into the hands of those who want to argue that homosexual people really hate the other sex. Just to clear the air, I would like to point out right now that I do not hate homosexual people for being homosexual. I might well harbour a hatred for some other reason, such as politics or bad manners or bigotry. And I don't hate Stephen Fry for any reason. Gets on me wick a bit at the moment, but that's it. |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 7, 2010 22:33:04 GMT
I don't know, Jean. I think he was more in the way of mocking men, in the way that men have done for centuries. Most dirty jokes are really mocking men(in the way that you only joke about things that scare you, or make you uneasy).
I don't think that anyone who wants to argue that homosexual people hate the other sex need an excuse (by the way, I think I played into someone's hands in the gender section (sorry for people who don't know what I'm on about; it really isn't important); or at least I gave him the opening for another rant. Not deliberate. I do genuinely like camp, and the secret history of homosexuality. Secret history is the best history.) Anyway, saying that one gender are obsessed with their sex organs is not saying that they hate the "wrong" sex, is it?
OK. I'm missing nuances and implications here. I should go to bed.
I don't think it's really important, though. Fry is really a Good chap. Really. He is on your (and my) side. He really is. (Really; really.)
I'm a bit drunk. And I shuld be in my bed, reading Dracula (now there's an account of the fear of sex for you.
Good night.
I'll see you tomorrow evening....
all good things...
keep your peckers up, and all that uurrrrrrr
'night.
by the way: if you see something in this that says something outreagous, , or os badly spelled, it's a drunken mis-type. Or else wizards. God i'm drunk. I wish I'd never started this....
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Post by jean on Nov 7, 2010 22:43:18 GMT
I don't think that anyone who wants to argue that homosexual people hate the other sex need an excuse (by the way, I think I played into someone's hands in the gender section (sorry for people who don't know what I'm on about; it really isn't important); or at least I gave him the opening for another rant. I knew there was something going on there! And they won't let me see it! I know he doesn't need an excuse - but he does carefully store up bits of evidence to suit his case. And you can't expect me to like it when people provide him with the sort of evidence he wants. Not that part of it, aubrey - I'm not bothered by what he says about men (how would I know? It's for men, especially gay men, to get annoyed about that, and some of them did) - it's the bit about women not liking sex and using it purely to bargain for what they do want. |
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Post by philippa on Nov 8, 2010 10:44:16 GMT
instead of denegrating women perhaps he's saying more about penis rampant. It's perfectly possible to do both. What has really annoyed me about this is that it just plays into the hands of those who want to argue that homosexual people really hate the other sex. i would say that it is a mistake to lay that kind of responsibility on him for his sexuality, as though he ought to be some kind of representative, spokesman, or ambassador for all gays. i wouldn't expect that of heterosexuals so why should it be any different for gays - we are all individuals, aren't we? also, i dont imagine for one moment that his spoutings would lead anyone to think that he is representative of all gays just as a heterosexuals views are not representative of all heterosexuals. first and foremost we are individual people. and if anyone did argue that Stephen Fry views were those of all homosexuals, well, that has to be a ludicrous argument and could be turned right around onto anyone making such a statement. why on earth should he be held responsible for someone elses emotional baggage? |
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Post by jean on Nov 8, 2010 22:19:32 GMT
I'm not holding him responsible for his sexuality, as you put it, and I don't regard him as a representative, spokesman, or ambassador for all gays. I don't think his being gay is especially relevant to what he said about women and sex, and I have only mentioned it on this board because a few people, like aubrey, know what I'm talking about.
And it is sadly true that though many gay men have really good and close friendships with women, there are some who really don't like them. I have no idea if Fry really comes into that category, but I just wish he didn't sound as if he might.
(And philippa, if it's not too much to ask, do you think you could stop popping up on the Word of Mouth board to tell everyone I'm a troll? It's getting really tiresome.)
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Post by philippa on Nov 9, 2010 0:02:05 GMT
I'm not holding him responsible for his sexuality, as you put it, and I don't regard him as a representative, spokesman, or ambassador for all gays. I don't think his being gay is especially relevant to what he said about women and sex, and I have only mentioned it on this board because a few people, like aubrey, know what I'm talking about. being that you were annoyed with what he said because it gives amunition to those who believe that all homosexual men hate women, logically led me to think you believed he shouldn't (as a homosexual) make remarks that play into the hands of those who would argue that all gays hate the other sex and therefore is laying some kind of responsibility on him to have to watch his mouth and not say freely what he thinks, surely? i really cannot see that that has anything to do with this board or this conversation. |
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Post by jean on Nov 9, 2010 8:45:29 GMT
being that you were annoyed with what he said because it gives amunition to those who believe that all homosexual men hate women, logically led me to think you believed he shouldn't (as a homosexual) make remarks that play into the hands of those who would argue that all gays hate the other sex and therefore is laying some kind of responsibility on him to have to watch his mouth and not say freely what he thinks, surely? I've said nothing about what he should do, or tried to prevent him from doing anything. But by the same token I'm giving my opinion about what he says, and I've added a particular reason why I wasn't happy about it, that's all. It's got nothing whatever to do with this board, any more than it has with the WoM board, where you are posting this stuff. But we are both members here, and if we are to have conversations in this fluffy place, I would rather you weren't calling me a troll on another MB. Is that so very difficult to understand? [/quote] |
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Post by bananaman on Nov 9, 2010 9:18:09 GMT
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Post by philippa on Nov 9, 2010 9:19:44 GMT
i guess i should have said it's not relevant to the 'discussion' here rather than the conversation here. and precisely because this is a fluffy place is why i said your remark has no place here. surely you don't mean that because of dispute elsewhere i have no place to discuss here on this board?
in any case, what i said elsewhere on the wom board is relevant there because it has been an ongoing issue on wom for a very long time now.
i have no wish to talk about that here.
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Post by jean on Nov 9, 2010 9:45:27 GMT
surely you don't mean that because of dispute elsewhere i have no place to discuss here on this board? Of course I don't mean that. But if we are going to talk to each other here, I do not want this thing hanging between us. It's an 'issue' you've invented. It is not an 'issue' for any of the other regular posters on that board, except for one. And of course you are not a regular poster there yourself. You have felt it appropriate to pass comments about this on other Proboards, and have refused to discuss it by PM. That is why I am raising it here, in the course of a conversation with you. I have the same persona whereever I post. You don't have to like me - who likes everyone, either online or IRL? But I am not a troll here or anywhere else. The accusation is both without foundation and very hurtful. |
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Post by jean on Nov 9, 2010 9:54:32 GMT
Sorry, Bananaman. Your salutary reminder hadn't appeared when I wrote my post.
I suggest pippa and I delete these posts, and attempt to sort the problem out by PM.
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Post by trubble on Nov 9, 2010 9:59:39 GMT
I've gone right off it....prefer cocoa... ;D  Me too. Bonbon, real cocoa - bournville style powder that you have to mix into a paste with some sugar - or a ready-made hot chocolate formula, such as Cadbury's? Do you have any secret tips to great cocoa? I think the paste is the secret, personally. |
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Post by trubble on Nov 9, 2010 10:01:21 GMT
Incidentally -- and this is rather an important piece of information -- no one likes Horlicks.
I mean NO ONE!
I can't give the stuff away.
It's all a big swizz.
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Post by Weyland on Nov 9, 2010 11:25:11 GMT
Incidentally -- and this is rather an important piece of information -- no one likes Horlicks. I mean NO ONE! I can't give the stuff away. It's all a big swizz. I love Horlicks. When I was a kid I used to live on Horlicks tablets. Used to get them at the Milk Bar. I like Horlicks drink as well. I'm a simple soul. [Whatever happened to milk bars in England? They still exist here in Wales, but not as I remember them.]  Welshpool |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2010 15:01:25 GMT
Incidentally -- and this is rather an important piece of information -- no one likes Horlicks. I mean NO ONE! I can't give the stuff away. It's all a big swizz. I love Horlicks. When I was a kid I used to live on Horlicks tablets. Used to get them at the Milk Bar. I like Horlicks drink as well. I'm a simple soul. [Whatever happened to milk bars in England? They still exist here in Wales, but not as I remember them.] Welshpool i used to like Ovaltine when i was a kid. used to drink that a lot, nice it were, all sort of malty n noice. i also used to live near the ovaltine factory in kings langley for a while, its a big old fashioned fasctory a bit like willy wonkas, and its near the canal. whenever you walk past it, you can smell ovaltine in the air. loverly! i hope its still there n stuff. proper old fashioned it was. "Up the airy mountain, down the rushy glen, we daren't go a hunting, for fear of little men. You see, nobody ever goes in... and nobody ever comes out. " |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2010 15:03:13 GMT
as a baybee i used to drink rosehip, out of them bottles what babies usually drink milk out of. my mum reckons that was why i have such a calm relaxed demenour, cos of the ol rosehip. apparantly you can still get it in Boots, i havent tried it yet..i reckon one sip of it would induce all kinds of baby related flashbacks....
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Post by jean on Nov 9, 2010 15:11:47 GMT
Incidentally -- and this is rather an important piece of information -- no one likes Horlicks. I don't remember Milk Bars in this country at all, but when I was in Poland they were great places for getting cheap traditional Polish food. If you could find one, that is - they were fast giving way to Macdonald's and KFC by the mid 1990s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2010 15:21:20 GMT
Incidentally -- and this is rather an important piece of information -- no one likes Horlicks. I don't remember Milk Bars in this country at all, but when I was in Poland they were great places for getting cheap traditional Polish food. If you could find one, that is - they were fast giving way to Macdonald's and KFC by the mid 1990s. never been to a milk bar, however all this talk of stuff from the olden days reminded me of Eds Diner, a 50s style burger joint. i used to go to one in tottenham court road, but i see on the website theres a few of em dotted around nowadays, i reckon Weyland would like it there. www.edseasydiner.com/ |
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