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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 10:08:34 GMT
All of which ignores the essential truth ......... Women's sex drives are rarely the same as mens ....in my limited experience .  Never had any complaints either ... before you start ! I don't think anyone was claiming they are the same, ARF. That wouldn't be natural. Quite !! Men ....................... once a day Women .................once a month ( unless they are tired in which case - skip a month ! ) ;D |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 7, 2010 10:11:27 GMT
I don't think anyone was claiming they are the same, ARF. That wouldn't be natural. Quite !! Men ....................... once a day Women .................once a month ( unless they are tired in which case - skip a month ! ) ;D No. |
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Post by philippa on Nov 7, 2010 10:19:36 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Nov 7, 2010 11:30:42 GMT
I don't believe that about women who go dogging, Pippa. But I've seen similar things written on another messageboard, and argued against it.
(I can see how it would seem that I do believe it, though. My habit is to say and write things that I really don't believe, and that are the opposite of what I believe. I thought I was more obviously doing that here than I was. Sorry.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 13:26:05 GMT
As Fry says - he's not a politician, so why should he have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation? It's not important, what he says. He's not an arbiter of taste, or morals. He's just a bloke who is on the telly. He has never said that he's especially intelligent (really: he has said the opposite), or has any great insight. If people want to believe that he is, or has, that is not really anything to do with him. Most people can say this kind of thing - as ARF and Everso have just done - and no one's going to care. It's not put all over newspapers and messageboards: "Everso says: 'Women not always ready for sex' storm." The people who got most het up about this tended to be the people who didn't like him in the first place. Any stick you can get to beat a bloke with, eh? Any time he doesn't take care over everything he says? Can anyone justify everything they've said in a casual conversation, even with someone they don't know very well? (Actually, some women do engage in cottaging-like sex - dogging. But these are women with no self respect, and probably a good deal of self-hatred as well. They couldn't do it otherwise. Men who do it hate women as well.) I have admitted earlier in the thread, i dont much care for the bloke, however thats my own personal dislikes, i've never had cause to critiscise him until now, because the opinion he voiced is a stupid one. He knows people will listen to what he says, his current careeer is built around being an intellectual know all, that is his trade, and he has worked to acheive that, he is foolish if he thinks making comments such as the ones he made will not attract attention. As a 'celebrity' or whatever he is, yes, he probably does need to be careful what he says, just as any other celebrity is pretty much guaranteed to get headlines if they or do or say anythink remotely contreversial. i don't believe he is foolish enough not to have realised this, having been working in the media as long as he has. I agree the whole 'witchhunt' element of the papers condemning him is over the top, however thats what papers do.. hes not the first and he wont be the last. However i do think the opinion he made was qwuite clearly silly, and wrong. Its not as if what he said was open to interpretation, or skewed by the press to expose a hidden meaning.. i also cannot see where the supposed 'humour' comes into what he said, that he claims is there..? And as Jean identified earlier in the thread, it is not the first time he has voiced such thoughts.. ( theres a youtube clip earlier in the thread) it doesnt really matter if Fry believes such things or not, however it does rather expose him as not being qwuite as intelligent as he'd like everyone to think, and in my opinion, rather disrespectful to women. |
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Post by Patrick on Nov 7, 2010 13:56:02 GMT
As Fry says - he's not a politician, so why should he have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation? It's not important, what he says. He's not an arbiter of taste, or morals. He's just a bloke who is on the telly. He has never said that he's especially intelligent (really: he has said the opposite), or has any great insight. If people want to believe that he is, or has, that is not really anything to do with him. It's that Stephen Fry that I happily remember. Self deprecating and vaguely humble. Sadly, either media coverage of his exploits or just his general overexposure of late (his admitted inability to say "no" to anything) that has put me right off him. Friend of mine has posted a lecture he gave on Blasphemy - I just can't be bothered - I've had a quick look at the Radio Times and he's on tonight looking at the Gulf of Mexico oil spill!!! Why? Then there's his wildlife stuff with the Spectacled bears and other missing species first looked at by Douglas Adams and then there's his "travel doc" exploits. It's rather like the running joke that "Not the Nine o'Clock News" used to have in the 1980's about Edward Woodward; Their calendar of the time used to have a feature "101 things that Edward Woodward can't do". |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 7, 2010 13:59:27 GMT
Is it stupid to say that because they are not as good as men at processing visual stimuli, women don't like pornography? It would be just as true, and it is a much more popular view (though it's usually put differently).
I think that clip of Jean's was funny, and meant to be. All he is saying is that men are more likely to accept any sex, even bad sex, than women, who want good sex and (given a choice) won't bother with bad sex. Men would prefer it to be good, but we'll take anything. We're not fussy.
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Post by Patrick on Nov 7, 2010 14:02:10 GMT
They're liking Sex on the Naturist beaches of the South of France - and it's causing a right hoo ha!
Residents of the Village Naturiste in Cap d'Agde are used to going about their daily business in the nude. The fenced-off resort on the Mediterranean has its own marina, restaurants, boutiques and banks where locals can strip off and enjoy life "in harmony with nature".
Today, however, Europe's largest nudist colony has a more prudish message for over-enthusiastic visitors who are upsetting the natural order of things: no sex, please, we're naturists.
According to unhappy locals, "an explosion of libertarianism" is turning their 40-year-old resort into the "European capital of debauchery" and an "open-air brothel". Their anger is directed at an influx of foreign nudists with, they claim, only one thing on their minds. The newcomers, they say, are more interested in orgies and naked exhibitionism.
Among the worst culprits, say villagers, whose numbers go from 300 in winter to 40,000 in the high season, are Italians. Local naturists, including many grandparents, said they were "shocked" by the sight of couples copulating in public.
For Florence Denestebe, 35, a local councillor, this is the culmination of years of conflict between traditional naturists and a new generation of sexed-up nudists. "I'm not puritanical, but this has gone too far," the mother-of-two told the Observer.
"I have nothing against the naturist village with its philosophy of people living in harmony with nature, but people practising sex acts in public are giving the Cap d'Agde a bad reputation. There are places for this sort of thing – namely behind closed doors."
Denestebe said naturists made up only 5% of the population. "I'm standing up for them because they are fed up but I'm also representing the other 95% who are fed up with the bad reputation our home now has."
Cap d'Agde naturists interviewed by journalists spoke of witnessing orgies, voyeurism, fellatio, genitals being "waved in people's faces" and people being tied to signposts and whipped.
Denestebe is writing to the state prosecutor demanding public decency laws be upheld.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 14:06:44 GMT
Is it stupid to say that because they are not as good as men at processing visual stimuli, women don't like pornography? It would be just as true, and it is a much more popular view (though it's usually put differently). I think that clip of Jean's was funny, and meant to be. All he is saying is that men are more likely to accept any sex, even bad sex, than women, who want good sex and (given a choice) won't bother with bad sex. Men would prefer it to be good, but we'll take anything. We're not fussy. it is stupid yes.. fact is nobody can speak for an entire gender. sex drives vary in both men and women. i know plenty of women who enjoy pornography, i also know plenty of men who would not 'take anything'.. |
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Post by everso on Nov 7, 2010 14:33:09 GMT
They're liking Sex on the Naturist beaches of the South of France - and it's causing a right hoo ha! Residents of the Village Naturiste in Cap d'Agde are used to going about their daily business in the nude. The fenced-off resort on the Mediterranean has its own marina, restaurants, boutiques and banks where locals can strip off and enjoy life "in harmony with nature".
Today, however, Europe's largest nudist colony has a more prudish message for over-enthusiastic visitors who are upsetting the natural order of things: no sex, please, we're naturists.
According to unhappy locals, "an explosion of libertarianism" is turning their 40-year-old resort into the "European capital of debauchery" and an "open-air brothel". Their anger is directed at an influx of foreign nudists with, they claim, only one thing on their minds. The newcomers, they say, are more interested in orgies and naked exhibitionism.
Among the worst culprits, say villagers, whose numbers go from 300 in winter to 40,000 in the high season, are Italians. Local naturists, including many grandparents, said they were "shocked" by the sight of couples copulating in public.
For Florence Denestebe, 35, a local councillor, this is the culmination of years of conflict between traditional naturists and a new generation of sexed-up nudists. "I'm not puritanical, but this has gone too far," the mother-of-two told the Observer.
"I have nothing against the naturist village with its philosophy of people living in harmony with nature, but people practising sex acts in public are giving the Cap d'Agde a bad reputation. There are places for this sort of thing – namely behind closed doors."
Denestebe said naturists made up only 5% of the population. "I'm standing up for them because they are fed up but I'm also representing the other 95% who are fed up with the bad reputation our home now has."
Cap d'Agde naturists interviewed by journalists spoke of witnessing orgies, voyeurism, fellatio, genitals being "waved in people's faces" and people being tied to signposts and whipped.
Denestebe is writing to the state prosecutor demanding public decency laws be upheld.Oh for heaven's sake! The naked human body (especially a female one that's in good nick) is a stimulus. All this "back to nature" crap, walking about in the nude, if people wish to emulate animals - i.e. walk about with nothing on - then they should expect open air copulation, just like animals. We are mammals, but over the millenia we've become different to the rest of them inasmuch as we live by rules and regulations, and because we've evolved so that we have no fur covering our bodies, covering it with clothes is a sensible thing to do. We can't be animals and human beings at the same time and not expect to be shocked occasionally. |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 7, 2010 14:57:00 GMT
Is it stupid to say that because they are not as good as men at processing visual stimuli, women don't like pornography? It would be just as true, and it is a much more popular view (though it's usually put differently). I think that clip of Jean's was funny, and meant to be. All he is saying is that men are more likely to accept any sex, even bad sex, than women, who want good sex and (given a choice) won't bother with bad sex. Men would prefer it to be good, but we'll take anything. We're not fussy. it is stupid yes.. fact is nobody can speak for an entire gender. sex drives vary in both men and women. i know plenty of women who enjoy pornography, i also know plenty of men who would not 'take anything'.. Well, I think it's stupid as well: but there are many people who would disagree with us. The way it is put is not as I put it, that women don't like pornography because they lack something; but that men like it because they lack something: in this case, the ability to imagine visually. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 14:58:50 GMT
it is stupid yes.. fact is nobody can speak for an entire gender. sex drives vary in both men and women. i know plenty of women who enjoy pornography, i also know plenty of men who would not 'take anything'.. Well, I think it's stupid as well: but there are many people who would disagree with us. The way it is put is not as I put it, that women don't like pornography because they lack something; but that men like it because they lack something: in this case, the ability to imagine visually. i don't much like pornography, as it goes. |
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Post by Patrick on Nov 7, 2010 18:13:48 GMT
Oh for heaven's sake! The naked human body (especially a female one that's in good nick) is a stimulus. All this "back to nature" crap, walking about in the nude, if people wish to emulate animals - i.e. walk about with nothing on - then they should expect open air copulation, just like animals. We are mammals, but over the millenia we've become different to the rest of them inasmuch as we live by rules and regulations, and because we've evolved so that we have no fur covering our bodies, covering it with clothes is a sensible thing to do. We can't be animals and human beings at the same time and not expect to be shocked occasionally. Precisely! Besides - who on Earth would want to have nookie on a beach? Even lumpy pebble beaches have enough sandy bits on them to get everywhere! |
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Post by everso on Nov 7, 2010 20:01:40 GMT
Ooo painful.
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Post by jean on Nov 7, 2010 20:16:11 GMT
As Fry says - he's not a politician, so why should he have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation? He's enough of a public figure to know that anything he says just might find a wider audience. Of course he shouldn't have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation - but what people wrote about was exactly what he said - no misinterpretation - and the only thing they got wrong (if they did) was not to notice that it was a joke. But I don't agree that the video clip was meant to be funny - it certainly wasn't. To describe comment on what a public figure says in public as a witch hunt seems way over the top to me. |
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Post by Weyland on Nov 7, 2010 21:05:42 GMT
You remember those tenty things you could hire to get changed in on the beach? About the size and shape of a phone-box, only canvas. Well, they had them at Whitley Bay anyway. Well, when we were about 16 Veronica and me got one and . . . yes, we were definitely over 16 . . . and . . . where was I? . . . Enneeeewaaaay, me knees are still not right. |
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Post by aubrey on Nov 7, 2010 21:29:57 GMT
As Fry says - he's not a politician, so why should he have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation? He's enough of a public figure to know that anything he says just might find a wider audience. Of course he shouldn't have to check everything he says for hidden meanings and possible misinterpretation - but what people wrote about was exactly what he said - no misinterpretation - and the only thing they got wrong (if they did) was not to notice that it was a joke. But I don't agree that the video clip was meant to be funny - it certainly wasn't. To describe comment on what a public figure says in public as a witch hunt seems way over the top to me. Maybe more banter than a joke. But that bit in the video where he contrasts an exagerrated view of a woman's thinking about sex ("I saw someone a few days ago that got me a bit...")with a man's ("Not every (swear swear) minute, you don't; not every second - I did find that funny. Yes; witch hunt - fair enough. But it is too much - much more than anyone could have expected. Especially as he's said it before; and before that it was a routine out of one of his novels. It is surely better for him to be not too careful about shooting off at the mouth; if he was that careful, he wouldn't have said anything about his Bi-polar thing (most people in the public eye with mental illness are afraid to mention it), nor about lots of other things. And, as I say, this was just banter; a routine, what Seinfeld would have called "a bit." He seemed a natural choice for Last Chance to see since he house sat for D Adams while he was away doing the original series. |
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Post by philippa on Nov 7, 2010 21:46:01 GMT
To describe comment on what a public figure says in public as a witch hunt seems way over the top to me. the air is ringing with hysteria over it, plus pages and pages of message board comments. all completely over the top imo. instead of denegrating women perhaps he's saying more about penis rampant. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 21:49:19 GMT
To describe comment on what a public figure says in public as a witch hunt seems way over the top to me. the air is ringing with hysteria over it, plus pages and pages of message board comments. all completely over the top imo. instead of denegrating women perhaps he's saying more about penis rampant. which would also be offensive, and wrong. |
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Post by philippa on Nov 7, 2010 21:53:29 GMT
the air is ringing with hysteria over it, plus pages and pages of message board comments. all completely over the top imo. instead of denegrating women perhaps he's saying more about penis rampant. which would also be offensive, and wrong. i said "perhaps". anyway, who cares. there's a lot worse in this world than a dear old luvvie wittering on. |
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Never had any complaints either ... before you start ! 
