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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2009 9:53:34 GMT
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Post by swl on May 10, 2009 11:09:43 GMT
Been there, done that. They used exactly the same techniques on smokers. Lies, dodgy research and made up numbers. Now they're working on banning smoking in the home.
I said, as did many others at the time that drinkers would be next. And we were right.
The message from the puritanicals is - don't be different, don't stand out. Don't be old, fat, a drinker or a smoker because they bloody hate the idea that anyone might actually dare to be an individual.
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Post by housesparrow on May 10, 2009 11:59:33 GMT
They have known about the link between drinking and dementia for years. They must have done.
Nobody warned me, so I shall sue.
And I'll take my gas bills elsewhere so just you mind your manners. And I remember what happened yesterday and that incident with the potato peeler. Yes, you whatever your name was last. Someone here has hidden the gin bottle, for I had it yesterday. What do you mean, I finished it?
What was it you were saying? Who mentioned gin?
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Post by riotgrrl on May 10, 2009 13:26:36 GMT
I disagree with you all. So there.
Alcohol is the single biggest social problem facing this country. It's not puritanism or nanny-stateism to do anything possible to reduce our consumption of it.
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Post by housesparrow on May 10, 2009 13:51:56 GMT
In what way are you disagreeing with me?
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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2009 14:04:37 GMT
I disagree with you all. So there. Alcohol is the single biggest social problem facing this country. It's not puritanism or nanny-stateism to do anything possible to reduce our consumption of it. So why don't they just get on with it - revert to the old licensing hours - regulate what supermarket can stock? Carry out this ban on heavy discounting - I've not seen any evidence of that so far. Instead of this constant Chinese Water torture to wear away at the Nation's psyche? Or is it for the benefit of the thick people because they see it as the only way of converting them? |
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Post by riotgrrl on May 10, 2009 14:14:52 GMT
In what way are you disagreeing with me? In what way would you like me to disagree with you?  Sorry, I am in a belligerent frame of mind. |
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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2009 14:30:39 GMT
They have known about the link between drinking and dementia for years. They must have done. Nobody warned me, so I shall sue. And I'll take my gas bills elsewhere so just you mind your manners. And I remember what happened yesterday and that incident with the potato peeler. Yes, you whatever your name was last. Someone here has hidden the gin bottle, for I had it yesterday. What do you mean, I finished it? What was it you were saying? Who mentioned gin?  POTW! |
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Post by trubble on May 10, 2009 15:03:04 GMT
I am, as you know, fiercely against this alcohol is bad campaign.
It's like when Alph (rip) argues against gun control. I want to drink what I like when I like. Alcohol is not bad. There are no bad drinks. Only bad drink owners.
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Post by everso on May 10, 2009 15:13:29 GMT
I just have to say this.
Mr. E. just walked into the room and looked over my shoulder.
"Ah, talking to yer mates? Bunch of revolutionaries the lot of yer. Oh (looking at Trubble's avatar) who's THAT? Mmmm"
And he walked out.
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Post by everso on May 10, 2009 15:14:59 GMT
Oh for the good old days  |
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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2009 15:57:06 GMT
I just have to say this. Mr. E. just walked into the room and looked over my shoulder. "Ah, talking to yer mates? Bunch of revolutionaries the lot of yer. Oh (looking at Trubble's avatar) who's THAT? Mmmm" And he walked out. I've often thought of having a thread on "Do you talk about your message boarding life". Never been sure if it'd work though. |
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Post by swl on May 10, 2009 16:04:23 GMT
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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2009 16:05:32 GMT
Oh for the good old days Mmmm, you don't often see comparisons with the amount of pubs being lost now with the amount we must have had in the 17/1800's. My Mum had a house on this tiny little lane once, yet in less than a mile there were once four pubs along it. Next town along - Has a population of 5000 and 10 pubs! Some of those are up for sale - you wonder how they've lasted this long! |
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Post by riotgrrl on May 10, 2009 16:14:36 GMT
I am, as you know, fiercely against this alcohol is bad campaign. It's like when Alph (rip) argues against gun control. I want to drink what I like when I like. Alcohol is not bad. There are no bad drinks. Only bad drink owners. The old 'personal responsibility' argument can be convincing. But, at the end of the day, alcohol consumption in the UK has become a major public health issue, and one of the few areas in life in which Governments should intervene is public health. |
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Post by luc on May 10, 2009 16:30:34 GMT
I am, as you know, fiercely against this alcohol is bad campaign. It's like when Alph (rip) argues against gun control. I want to drink what I like when I like. Alcohol is not bad. There are no bad drinks. Only bad drink owners. The old 'personal responsibility' argument can be convincing. But, at the end of the day, alcohol consumption in the UK has become a major public health issue, and one of the few areas in life in which Governments should intervene is public health. I always feel divided on these issues. On the one hand, I enjoy a pint in the pub, a glass of wine or three with a meal and can qute happily drink without consequences for the A&E. On the other hand, something like 80% of trips to casualty are the result of excessive alcohol consumption (not sure where I read this statistic - Simpson et al maybe). Sure we have a personal responsibility towards our drinking, but further to this, large sections of society are not, and cannot be trusted with alcohol. There is no way of "educating" people because everyone already knows the facts - it seems like the pint and punch up is the British way, and no amount of advice will curb this dangerous pattern of behaviour. I HATE the idea that the badly behaved can dictate what is, for me, an enjoyable aspect of my life - but maybe only direct action is the way to stop the culture of drink that causes so much damage. |
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Post by everso on May 10, 2009 16:44:42 GMT
The old 'personal responsibility' argument can be convincing. But, at the end of the day, alcohol consumption in the UK has become a major public health issue, and one of the few areas in life in which Governments should intervene is public health. I always feel divided on these issues. On the one hand, I enjoy a pint in the pub, a glass of wine or three with a meal and can qute happily drink without consequences for the A&E. On the other hand, something like 80% of trips to casualty are the result of excessive alcohol consumption (not sure where I read this statistic - Simpson et al maybe). Sure we have a personal responsibility towards our drinking, but further to this, large sections of society are not, and cannot be trusted with alcohol. There is no way of "educating" people because everyone already knows the facts - it seems like the pint and punch up is the British way, and no amount of advice will curb this dangerous pattern of behaviour. I HATE the idea that the badly behaved can dictate what is, for me, an enjoyable aspect of my life - but maybe only direct action is the way to stop the culture of drink that causes so much damage. Good post Luc. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm the same. I enjoy a drink. I enjoy several drinks. And I've never had to go to A & E because of it. My son-in-law's sister works in A & E in our local hospital and tells dreadful tales of drunken casualties though, and it seems to be getting worse. Violence through drink isn't anything new - it's just that it's very much more common nowadays because people have more money and alcohol is much cheaper than it was in the past. |
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Post by housesparrow on May 10, 2009 16:57:43 GMT
In what way are you disagreeing with me? In what way would you like me to disagree with you? Sorry, I am in a belligerent frame of mind. Okay - you could start with: "Don't worry, housesparrow my dear. You carry on enjoying your little drinks - I'm sure they aren't causing dementia. Indeed, we know you to be an incisive, witty, on-the-ball poster whose wits are sharpened by a daily noggin." |
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Post by trubble on May 10, 2009 17:13:21 GMT
I feel the same as luc does about it - ie torn. When my sister's lung collapsed at about 11pm on a Saturday night, her treatment was compromised completely by drink-related injuries taking precedent. For a start, she couldn't get an ambulance to collect her from outside the pub she happened to be in, having a quiet drink, so she got a taxi to the hospital in deep pain, not knowing what was wrong. Because she arrived in a taxi, not ambulance, her later treatment was also compromised, incidentally. When she got to A&E they assessed it as a collapsed lung and she sat in a corridor watching the stomach pumpees and drunken stab wounds being taken before her because they were more life threatening, fair enough I suppose, still she sat there for hours, in pain. When she got a doctor, she was given a local anesthetic so that they could insert a tube in between her ribs or something. The doctor fainted while doing it, apparently having been overworked, the partly inserted-tube was ripped out as she fell, so eventually the tube was put in by another doctor but after the anesthetic had mostly worn off. Her boyfriend had to hold her down.  On the other hand, I tried to buy alcohol from the off-license the other night and was refused because it was 10.02 pm. Off licenses must stop selling at 10. The pub next door closes at midnight. That pisses me off. Greatly. I am going to start stock-piling my alcohol.  |
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Post by trubble on May 10, 2009 17:23:08 GMT
You must admit he is being very quiet for a man who is alive. |
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