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Post by bonbonlarue on Mar 31, 2009 13:56:06 GMT
I suppose that if the Hoi-Polloi were to attempt to get any cash from the meeja...proclaiming a child as Britain's youngest Father is slightly better than drugging and kidnapping your own child.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 31, 2009 14:28:57 GMT
I suppose that if the Hoi-Polloi were to attempt to get any cash from the meeja...proclaiming a child as Britain's youngest Father is slightly better than drugging and kidnapping your own child. I'm wondering if there is some kind of league table, with a continuum from the benign (put them on the X-Factor) to the wicked (Shannon Matthews). In the middle you could have stuff like get them to strip off for Lads' Mags and Page 3 or persuading them to sleep with a celebrity or politician. |
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Post by sesley on Mar 31, 2009 14:32:18 GMT
its this treating a child like something to have again,this its my human right to breed attitude,without any provisions of a stable home,the girls are given no other hope for the future with a decent education to give themselves better options to be able to be more independent and earn their own money for their own homes and things.often they are from home lifes that don't give them what they need to be able to function, Grand mothers are in their early 30's now,Chanetelles little daughter in 11/12 years time will be thhinking to make Chantelle a granny no doubt instead of becoming a lawyer a doctor an teacher anything else other than a young mother.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2009 16:20:17 GMT
Please Selsey , BREATHE ............I'm concerned for your wellbeing  |
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Post by swl on Mar 31, 2009 16:40:52 GMT
I feel sorry for the girl. Many girls mistake sex for real affection. Society forces them to be sexual objects from an earlier and earlier age, then criticises them when they conform to what they see as expectations.
I'd wonder about this girl's home life and (female) friends. Has she no one that can give her love, affection and attention other than the boys pawing at her skirt (as boys naturally do)?
Maybe when she's flat on her back, it's the only time anyone pays her any attention or makes her feel wanted. If so, is it surprising that she does it repeatedly?
Our society is hypocritical and getting sicker by the day. Too many young people are forced into adult identities before they're ready for it. Listening to so many discussions, I sometimes feel that we collectively hate children. It's all about kicking them out as soon as it's legal and "Oh what an inconvenience they are". Well, there's a reason parents have legal responsibilities towards children until they're 16 and that is because they're CHILDREN. Oh they may act like adults and look like adults, but they're still bairns.
So I feel sorry for the bairn in this case. She should have been in the arms of her mother instead of some randy wee bastard.
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Post by bonbonlarue on Mar 31, 2009 17:29:02 GMT
Sadly, young girls fashions are based more on Jordan than Judy. And their Heat magazine Mothers dress the poor little souls up because it looks cute.
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Post by Patrick on Mar 31, 2009 17:31:47 GMT
I've often wondered. As you do - Having children for many must be like having - well - to blend topics a little - like having kittens! Something fun to play with for a while! I'm waiting for some adolescent to one day sue his parents - because he (or she) didn't ask to be born!! They say having children is a wonderful thing - isn't it also just a little bit selfish?
I still think we ought to introduce Baby Licences. To be renewed every year - bit like a TV licence.
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Post by bonbonlarue on Mar 31, 2009 17:41:20 GMT
It's just bloody hard work. I wouldn't do it again for a big pig.
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Post by Coffeepot on Mar 31, 2009 18:06:19 GMT
I feel sorry for the girl. Many girls mistake sex for real affection. Society forces them to be sexual objects from an earlier and earlier age, then criticises them when they conform to what they see as expectations. I'd wonder about this girl's home life and (female) friends. Has she no one that can give her love, affection and attention other than the boys pawing at her skirt (as boys naturally do)? Maybe when she's flat on her back, it's the only time anyone pays her any attention or makes her feel wanted. If so, is it surprising that she does it repeatedly? Our society is hypocritical and getting sicker by the day. Too many young people are forced into adult identities before they're ready for it. Listening to so many discussions, I sometimes feel that we collectively hate children. It's all about kicking them out as soon as it's legal and "Oh what an inconvenience they are". Well, there's a reason parents have legal responsibilities towards children until they're 16 and that is because they're CHILDREN. Oh they may act like adults and look like adults, but they're still bairns. So I feel sorry for the bairn in this case. She should have been in the arms of her mother instead of some randy wee bastard. True enough, the things my daughter (13) knows about, that I didn't know of till I was a good few years older. I think it's a real shame, they aren't children 5 minutes any more. |
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 8:56:20 GMT
I've often wondered. As you do - Having children for many must be like having - well - to blend topics a little - like having kittens! Something fun to play with for a while! I'm waiting for some adolescent to one day sue his parents - because he (or she) didn't ask to be born!! They say having children is a wonderful thing - isn't it also just a little bit selfish? I still think we ought to introduce Baby Licences. To be renewed every year - bit like a TV licence. Children can sue or divorce their parents - and have! I know a situation where that happened. I felt sorry for both the mum and the daughter. It's easier to see both sides from the outside, I know, but neither of them were in the wrong (well, I don't think he daughter should have sued but she had a point). The real problem was a manic depressive father that caused a chain of events. The mum was sued by the daughter for being a bad mum and lost her legal and implied moral rights to call herself her mum and all that might go with that. The daughter was then free to elect someone to be her 'mum'. Very weird. |
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 8:57:28 GMT
why?  High Court Order. Presumably to protect children who have been the victims of sexual abuse. Mind you, your head might explode working out who exactly the sexually abused child is in this scenario, but I'm assuming it's to do with that. Thanks. You warned me but I tried anyway. My head exploded.  |
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 9:07:04 GMT
I feel sorry for the girl. Many girls mistake sex for real affection. Society forces them to be sexual objects from an earlier and earlier age, then criticises them when they conform to what they see as expectations. I'd wonder about this girl's home life and (female) friends. Has she no one that can give her love, affection and attention other than the boys pawing at her skirt (as boys naturally do)? Maybe when she's flat on her back, it's the only time anyone pays her any attention or makes her feel wanted. If so, is it surprising that she does it repeatedly? Nail on head. ''She should have been in the arms of her mother'' - or father. A good and affectionate relationship with your father really helps, the lack of one really messes up things. I think people underestimate the power of the father-daughter relationship in this scenario. |
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 9:21:30 GMT
I thought it was the lad's father who was painted the villain of the piece, AH - unless of course he is the "nasty little slapper"? The little skank who had several choices as to who had fathered her baby is the slapper...  AH I'm going to put money on it that the potential fathers were doing exactly the same as her but without the tell tale signs of pregnancy to catch them out. |
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Post by housesparrow on Apr 1, 2009 9:22:17 GMT
Isn't the mother 15 - the time when teenagers hormones rage and they don't properly understnd why?
I can remember being 15, and shying away from physical contact with my parents. Of course sex was out of the question - no contraceptives and all too scary by half. A few girls had boyfriends, but a kiss was considered quite racey. Who knows how I would have reacted had I been born 40 + years later?
It isn't always fair to blame the parents - though encouraging one's teenage daughter's boyfreinds to stay overnight seems a trifle irresponsible.
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 9:24:37 GMT
If criticism is to be levied at the girl, it is in pointing the finger at Alfie when she must have known there could have been other condenders for the title. Possibly she was put up to it because someone told her she would get publicisty (and cash?) if her baby had a 13 year old for a Dad. Or too young and uneducated to realise what web she was weaving. |
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 9:27:06 GMT
Isn't the mother 15 - the time when teenagers hormones rage and they don't properly understnd why? I can remember being 15, and shying away from physical contact with my parents. Of course sex was out of the question - no contraceptives and all too scary by half. A few girls had boyfriends, but a kiss was considered quite racey. Who knows how I would have reacted had I been born 40 + years later? It isn't always fair to blame the parents - though encouraging one's teenage daughter's boyfreinds to stay overnight seems a trifle irresponsible. I think the parents had given up, from the sound of it, for whatever reason, they must have found parenting too hard. Teenagers do make a break from physical affection with parents, it's part of the growing up thing, but parents are supposed to carry on regardless, imo. Better to be a pain that they can complain about with their peers than let them set the rules, they don't have a clue and change from day to day. As it should be, that's the point of the transition period. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 1, 2009 9:29:48 GMT
The little skank who had several choices as to who had fathered her baby is the slapper... AH I'm going to put money on it that the potential fathers were doing exactly the same as her but without the tell tale signs of pregnancy to catch them out. Which is EXACTLY the reason why girls should be far more careful and selective about who and when they bonk...no? AH |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 1, 2009 9:31:10 GMT
I've often wondered. As you do - Having children for many must be like having - well - to blend topics a little - like having kittens! Something fun to play with for a while! I'm waiting for some adolescent to one day sue his parents - because he (or she) didn't ask to be born!! They say having children is a wonderful thing - isn't it also just a little bit selfish? I still think we ought to introduce Baby Licences. To be renewed every year - bit like a TV licence. Sounds great in theory, until you remember that this government are a bunch of retarded PC idiots. AH |
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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 9:32:23 GMT
I'm going to put money on it that the potential fathers were doing exactly the same as her but without the tell tale signs of pregnancy to catch them out. Which is EXACTLY the reason why girls should be far more careful and selective about who and when they bonk...no? AH no- both lots should be doing that |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 1, 2009 9:37:05 GMT
Which is EXACTLY the reason why girls should be far more careful and selective about who and when they bonk...no? AH no- both lots should be doing that But only one lot have to face absolutely life changing consequences if it all goes wrong...surely young girls should be counseled to protect themselves from a life of being a mum at 15 and wiping out all chances of a decent future for themselves? For all the names I've called, I still feel sorry for really young girls when I see them pushing a pram around when they should be doing exams and planning for a fun exciting future/career/life. AH |
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