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Post by trubble on Apr 1, 2009 9:40:38 GMT
Yes, they need self preservation techniques, to be not called all sorts of names when they get caught out doing what loads of others were doing, doing what the boys were doing, and they need not to be given guilt trips and castigations for choosing abortions, even multiple ones.
They need all sorts of extras.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 1, 2009 9:45:33 GMT
I've nothing against females of any age having abortions, so long as they don't use them as a contraceptive method.
I'm afraid some young women do need need castigation though, if telling some girl that she is acting like a "dirty slapper" makes her think twice about what she is doing, and maybe leads her to be more careful and choosey in the future, it is worth it. No different than smacking a child who tries to run across the road or put it's hand in the fire.
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Post by Patrick on Apr 1, 2009 10:00:49 GMT
Saw some of that "Sex Education Show" last night. When Channel Four put some thought into something they do it pretty well (so far) - If they could only throw a bit of Politics into to it and ask one or two MP's why that sort of programme/training isn't compulsory.
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Post by housesparrow on Apr 1, 2009 10:05:29 GMT
Boys have a lot to lose if they have sex with the wrong girls - esepcially unprotected sex. Sixteen years of forking out child support for a start, not to mention all kinds of nasty diseases.
I wouldn't go so far as AH, but girls and boys need to be more sexually responsible. It is perhaps time for girls to start sneering the boy who sleeps around, instead of wanting to be "the one" who captures his heart.
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Post by bonbonlarue on Apr 1, 2009 10:17:48 GMT
It all seems to be going backwards...when I was approaching 16 and knew that things were imminent, I took myself off to the Brook Centre and promptly got the pill.
I knew that my parents wouldn't be told and I was more worried about going home pregnant than them finding out I was on the pill.
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Post by everso on Apr 1, 2009 12:22:57 GMT
Isn't the mother 15 - the time when teenagers hormones rage and they don't properly understnd why? I can remember being 15, and shying away from physical contact with my parents. Of course sex was out of the question - no contraceptives and all too scary by half. A few girls had boyfriends, but a kiss was considered quite racey. Who knows how I would have reacted had I been born 40 + years later? It isn't always fair to blame the parents - though encouraging one's teenage daughter's boyfreinds to stay overnight seems a trifle irresponsible. At 15 I can remember being in a right old muddle. I was terrified of getting pregnant so only ever kissed and cuddled with boys. The fact that they usually dumped me after a few frustrating weeks told me everything, but I wasn't simple enough to believe that once a boy had had his way he'd want to hang around anyway. Because there was no help for young single women to actually look after a baby, no council flats or benefits, unless she had understanding parents or was brave enough to go for an illegal abortion, I thought it was probably best that I didn't muck up the rest of my life for a few minutes pleasure. It's called self-control and that's also what I'd call  Of course, once I was 18 and had met Mr. E., everything changed under his evil influence. ;D |
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Post by Flatypus on Apr 1, 2009 14:25:31 GMT
Young woman has baby. I wonder when they first learnt to do that? And modern society still can't cope? Couple of hundred years ago one boy would probably have moved in and married eventually. One hundred years ago it would have been an open family secret that the little sister or brother wasn't a sister or brother. Now, it's news because we no longer have the family support system and we haven't replaced it with a proper wage and training to look after the child. It's not a bad idea for the less academic - have children young and make a career of it, then when they have more experience of life and have caught up with education they'd have a better chance if they want a 'decent' job than turfed out of school with no experience, no maturity and no qualifications.
Alternatively much earlier and better sex education. I bet most of these young teens believe all sorts of ancient myths about not getting pregnant and think that anything they're told in school is just lies to control them (and from what we're told about it, is presented from that negative angle). Americans are much more prudish, consequently have a far bigger problem. Dutch are extremely liberal, more concerned with teaching girls to exert responsibility over themselves and over sex instead of treating them as passive objects only expected to protect themselves against demanding boys, consequently have hardly any young pregnancies (or even young sex) and no problems because the occasional occurrence is so rare. I wonder how many of these girls know anything about sensuality apart from being there for the boy to make all the moves, and he knows only one move worth the making. Why can't we just let Nature take its course and arrange our society to support that instead of trying to change Nature to suit some artificial mechanistic concept of society?
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Post by sesley on Apr 1, 2009 14:41:09 GMT
one thing i told my boys a to use protection if their urges get the better of them always don't trust the girl to say she is using something because you can't believe them and if you do become daddy you won't have any rights to say who its brought up, especailly if she goes off with someone else with the child ,who you may never see again,but be expected to pay child support for the next 16 years.I had this talk with my 13 year old when Alfies news first broke,but luckily for now he is only interested in playing pc games with his mates. long may it continue.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2009 17:29:09 GMT
Isn't the mother 15 - the time when teenagers hormones rage and they don't properly understnd why? I can remember being 15, and shying away from physical contact with my parents. Of course sex was out of the question - no contraceptives and all too scary by half. A few girls had boyfriends, but a kiss was considered quite racey. Who knows how I would have reacted had I been born 40 + years later? It isn't always fair to blame the parents - though encouraging one's teenage daughter's boyfreinds to stay overnight seems a trifle irresponsible. I had a boyfriend when I was 15. He was 19. If you get my drift . . . I think the average age for girls losing their virginity in the UK is something like 14 or 15; it's earlier than in other European nations. But apparently it always has been. Girls in the UK traditionally married very young. I remember reading up on it once for a debate on MBs, but can't remember the specifics. The difference was that they used to get married at 15 and 16, and now they don't. |
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Post by swl on Apr 1, 2009 17:35:10 GMT
Isn't the mother 15 - the time when teenagers hormones rage and they don't properly understnd why? I can remember being 15, and shying away from physical contact with my parents. Of course sex was out of the question - no contraceptives and all too scary by half. A few girls had boyfriends, but a kiss was considered quite racey. Who knows how I would have reacted had I been born 40 + years later? It isn't always fair to blame the parents - though encouraging one's teenage daughter's boyfreinds to stay overnight seems a trifle irresponsible. I had a boyfriend when I was 15. He was 19. If you get my drift . . . I think the average age for girls losing their virginity in the UK is something like 14 or 15; it's earlier than in other European nations. But apparently it always has been. Girls in the UK traditionally married very young. I remember reading up on it once for a debate on MBs, but can't remember the specifics. The difference was that they used to get married at 15 and 16, and now they don't. Society has changed though. We used to prepare children to be adults at 14, when they left school and got jobs. Now we have this split personality thing going on where we dangle the baubles of adulthood in front of their faces but slap them down if they reach for them. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2009 17:36:23 GMT
I had a boyfriend when I was 15. He was 19. If you get my drift . . . I think the average age for girls losing their virginity in the UK is something like 14 or 15; it's earlier than in other European nations. But apparently it always has been. Girls in the UK traditionally married very young. I remember reading up on it once for a debate on MBs, but can't remember the specifics. The difference was that they used to get married at 15 and 16, and now they don't. Society has changed though. We used to prepare children to be adults at 14, when they left school and got jobs. Now we have this split personality thing going on where we dangle the baubles of adulthood in front of their faces but slap them down if they reach for them. Yeah, you and I have discussed this before and we fully agree with each other as I recall. For a right-wing council skank git, you have some very forward looking and intelligent opinions about teenagers SWL. |
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Post by swl on Apr 1, 2009 17:44:47 GMT
Society has changed though. We used to prepare children to be adults at 14, when they left school and got jobs. Now we have this split personality thing going on where we dangle the baubles of adulthood in front of their faces but slap them down if they reach for them. Yeah, you and I have discussed this before and we fully agree with each other as I recall. For a right-wing council skank git, you have some very forward looking and intelligent opinions about teenagers SWL. God knows, I've fucked enough of them ;D |
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2009 17:46:51 GMT
Yeah, you and I have discussed this before and we fully agree with each other as I recall. For a right-wing council skank git, you have some very forward looking and intelligent opinions about teenagers SWL. God knows, I've fucked enough of them ;D You've fucked a lot of right-wing council skank gits? Yes, you probably have. It woudl have been difficult for you to feed up the food chain I guess given the handicaps of your background, looks and personality.  |
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Post by swl on Apr 1, 2009 17:50:11 GMT
Personality? Personality ?? Who needs personality when you've got my wit & charm?
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 1, 2009 17:53:32 GMT
Personality? Personality ?? Who needs personality when you've got my wit & charm? He plies them loads of booze as well.... ;D AH |
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Post by swl on Apr 1, 2009 18:05:45 GMT
Personality? Personality ?? Who needs personality when you've got my wit & charm? He plies them loads of booze as well.... ;D AH That's so-oooo 1980s. Rohypnol's the thing now. My usual chat up line nowadays is "Can you still feel your toes?" |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 1, 2009 18:09:01 GMT
You are one sick bastard, SWL, I love you dearly. ;D
AH
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Post by swl on Apr 1, 2009 18:13:42 GMT
;D Riot's hands are shaking with fury too much to type  |
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2009 18:18:32 GMT
He plies them loads of booze as well.... ;D AH That's so-oooo 1980s. Rohypnol's the thing now. My usual chat up line nowadays is "Can you still feel your toes?" Your usual chat up line these days is: "Sorry, no, my wife would kill me" . . . tell the truth. |
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Post by swl on Apr 1, 2009 18:27:54 GMT
That's so-oooo 1980s. Rohypnol's the thing now. My usual chat up line nowadays is "Can you still feel your toes?" Your usual chat up line these days is: "Sorry, no, my wife would kill me" . . . tell the truth.  |
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