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Post by trubble on Apr 20, 2009 16:57:37 GMT
Hooray!  (See, swl? I am not bloody useless.) Poor Trubs - Did that bastard SWL say you were ? I shall withdraw my vote  Not to my face anyway. ;D I am just showing swl my smear campaign credentials. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 16:59:55 GMT
Riot - get on it , or you know what will happen  |
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Post by trubble on Apr 20, 2009 16:59:55 GMT
swl, have you got a paper campaign going as well as an internet one? Have you sent postcards into all your neighbours to tell them to vote? Are you canvassing?
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Post by motorist on Apr 20, 2009 17:08:47 GMT
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 20, 2009 17:10:48 GMT
swl, have you got a paper campaign going as well as an internet one? Have you sent postcards into all your neighbours to tell them to vote? Are you canvassing? Neighbours, local football ground, local pub etc. AH |
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Post by Patrick on Apr 20, 2009 17:25:42 GMT
"Each text costs 25p plus your usual network rate. "
I was only charged 10p!?
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2009 17:59:51 GMT
Hey, I support the party political system and will be voting SNP. SWL knows this.
I also disagree with SWL's key priorities. Mine (for the Euros) would be:
1 - How to incorporate the Balkans in the EU, and
2 - How to ensure the principle of subsidiarity is at the heart of the EU, both in terms of policies and in terms of structures and recognition of semi-autonomous regions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 18:03:17 GMT
Hey, I support the party political system and will be voting SNP. SWL knows this. I also disagree with SWL's key priorities. Mine (for the Euros) would be: 1 - How to incorporate the Balkans in the EU, and2 - How to ensure the principle of subsidiarity is at the heart of the EU, both in terms of policies and in terms of structures and recognition of semi-autonomous regions.  Next you'ill be saying Turkey should join the EC |
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2009 18:09:47 GMT
Hey, I support the party political system and will be voting SNP. SWL knows this. I also disagree with SWL's key priorities. Mine (for the Euros) would be: 1 - How to incorporate the Balkans in the EU, and2 - How to ensure the principle of subsidiarity is at the heart of the EU, both in terms of policies and in terms of structures and recognition of semi-autonomous regions. Next you'ill be saying Turkey should join the EC Farmer, look at a map of the EU. The Balkan nations are in the middle of the EU, but are not members. The EU cannot have a big hole in the middle of it like this. It makes no sense.  (EU members are in dark blue, and non EU members light blue. You can see the big Balkan bite just to the right of Italy.) Slovenia has already joined, and Croatia & Macedonia are likely to join sooner rather than later. Both the EU and Serbia agree that its longer-term goal should be EU membership. Kosovo and Albania are key routes for organised crime, people trafficking, etc. They need to be brought into the fold if we are to close off that trade route. |
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Post by everso on Apr 20, 2009 18:21:00 GMT
But if you're so concerned about the look of the thing, what about Switzerland? If the Balkans get in you'll still have that nasty hole in the middle.
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Post by everso on Apr 20, 2009 18:21:44 GMT
And keep Turkey out!!
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Post by Patrick on Apr 20, 2009 18:28:52 GMT
Farmer, look at a map of the EU. The Balkan nations are in the middle of the EU, but are not members. The EU cannot have a big hole in the middle of it like this. It makes no sense. (EU members are in dark blue, and non EU members light blue. You can see the big Balkan bite just to the right of Italy.) Slovenia has already joined, and Croatia & Macedonia are likely to join sooner rather than later. Both the EU and Serbia agree that its longer-term goal should be EU membership. Kosovo and Albania are key routes for organised crime, people trafficking, etc. They need to be brought into the fold if we are to close off that trade route.Call me Mr Cynical - but considering all the other things that the EU completely fails to control - including it's own finances - Would they really be able to tackle that! |
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Post by Patrick on Apr 20, 2009 18:33:10 GMT
But if you're so concerned about the look of the thing, what about Switzerland? If the Balkans get in you'll still have that nasty hole in the middle. I was just thinking that. Let's invade Switzerland! Down with the tax havens!  |
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2009 18:37:17 GMT
But if you're so concerned about the look of the thing, what about Switzerland? If the Balkans get in you'll still have that nasty hole in the middle. Oh Switzerland never play nice. Didn't they leave off joining the UN until about two weeks ago or something? No, the Swiss are the Swiss and we can't do owt about it. But Balkans-wise, Croatia & Montenegro are almost definitely going to join in the near future. You can't leave Bosnia and Serbia just lying there (if the Bosnian state does not collapse.) We need to take in Kosovo & Albania of they will become a festering cancer of crime, drugs, and people trafficking at the heart of Europe. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2009 18:38:45 GMT
I would also let Turkey join to prevent it from coming under the influence of more extremist forms of Islam if we don't let it join.
Not hugely keen on this - the Turkish community in Glasgow have already murdered one woman - but I can't see that it would be better to keep them out.
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Post by motorist on Apr 20, 2009 18:45:08 GMT
But if you're so concerned about the look of the thing, what about Switzerland? If the Balkans get in you'll still have that nasty hole in the middle. I was just thinking that. Let's invade Switzerland! Down with the tax havens! Don't you dare touch Jersey |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 20, 2009 19:04:01 GMT
We could swap our dark blue for the balkans light blue...that would suit me fine and balance out yer map of the EU Thousand Year Reich.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2009 19:08:08 GMT
Nah, I like the idea of a European federation. Not defending any of the current structures or abuses, but I like the IDEA of it.
Otherwise the Chinas and the USAs of the world will hold all the cards, and the European states will be irrelevant , small and easily pushed around by the superpowers.
I appreciate it's harder for people like us Scots and us English, as we come from ancient and well defined nations, but Germany & Italy are quite new states with no real history, and East/Central Europe was always changing states and empires. I mean, what does it mean to be a Moldovan really? Or even a Bosnian?
So I suppose they are less concerned about loss of national sovereignty, never really having had much.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 20, 2009 19:16:00 GMT
Erm, Itally was the seat of known civilisation 2000 years ago, they civilised us (and built a bloody big wall to keep you lot out).
I've no truck with this undemocratic anexing of countries via EU "vote until you give the right answer"
And if you think that the EU will ever have the political will to agree on anything, let alone "compete" with the US or China...well, I have some time share property in the Bahamas if you are interested.
The US rules the world...when they've fallen, China will rule the world, the EU won't matter a fig when it comes up against a 5000 year old civilisation that thinks nothing of butchering millions if it suits it's purpose.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2009 19:21:35 GMT
Erm, Itally was the seat of known civilisation 2000 years ago, they civilised us (and built a bloody big wall to keep you lot out). I've no truck with this undemocratic anexing of countries via EU "vote until you give the right answer" And if you think that the EU will ever have the political will to agree on anything, let alone "compete" with the US or China...well, I have some time share property in the Bahamas if you are interested. The US rules the world...when they've fallen, China will rule the world, the EU won't matter a fig when it comes up against a 5000 year old civilisation that thinks nothing of butchering millions if it suits it's purpose. AH Alpha, I'm not denying that Italy is a seat of civilisation ,but it only became a nation state as late as the late 1800s . . before Germany, but several hundred years after England or Scotland. Why should the EU NOT develop political will? OK, it couldn't speak with a single voice on independence for Kosovo, but it's still quite a new thing in terms of these things. Look at the powers the states have in the USA! What's the law in Texas is completely different from the law in New Jersey. They have real 'devolution' or 'subsidiarity' or whatever you want to call it, but nonetheless have a strong central voice. That's the model I'd like to see for the EU (but without all the 'God Bless America' stuff which often makes me feel a bit sick.) |
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