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Post by swl on May 14, 2009 22:21:24 GMT
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Post by everso on May 15, 2009 8:32:08 GMT
Wow, UKIP it is then. Sorry swl. Can I still be your English secretary or will it have to be curtains for me? |
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Post by riotgrrl on May 15, 2009 8:59:36 GMT
Well I did it all, got to the end, adn then it ERRORED me. Mind you, I had put that the only party I would consider voting for was the SNP, so I'm guessing it would have suggested the SNP as the party for me. Most of the issues it asked about i was 'open-minded' on, in that you cannot just reduce an incredibly complex issue into simple statements that you 'agree' or 'disagree' with. Furthermore, most of the issues they raised were of little importance to me (I think I only clicked animal testing and EU Peacekeeping as being of any importance whatsoever.) It's really no wonder our politics is so debased when we have to reduce it down to this kind of thing. |
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Post by swl on May 15, 2009 10:47:33 GMT
What is the point of doing a survey that matches your opinion with the stated position of the parties and then saying you would only consider voting one way before you see the results? That's exactly the closed-mindedness that sees people voting the same way their parents did. Unbelievable  |
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Post by Patrick on May 15, 2009 11:33:11 GMT
Oddly enough it went 1.Green. 2.LibDems. 3. Jury Team! Mind you - I wouldn't touch the Lib Dems these days knowing they're as hypocritical as the rest! Also, though I am a "Green-ey" in part. I dislike the way that they there are no grey areas with them. For instance, if they suddenly realised they'd miscalculated the amount of coal left in most of the mines in the UK - or heaven forbid that the Tories lied about the non profitability of some of them just to wipe mining off the industrial map of Britain!  - and wanted to reopen those that they could - I'd say go for it if it provides jobs in those areas? Ditto; Parts of the Lake District and Peak Park or Wales where quarrying was once part of a livelihood there - Go for it! The only provision is (quarrying for instance) that it would be done on a small scale, with smaller vehicles - or even if near a rail line and at a place that once used rail freight services, that that should be brought back into use. The Greens won't think like that though, it's all or nothing for them. Which can be more damaging! |
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Post by swl on May 15, 2009 11:41:20 GMT
And the LibDems consistently voted against any kind of referendum about the Lisbon Treaty. In fact they're against all referendums.
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Post by Patrick on May 15, 2009 11:46:50 GMT
And the LibDems consistently voted against any kind of referendum about the Lisbon Treaty. In fact they're against all referendums. Exactly! So that's that questionnaire flawed - 'cos I want referenda on everything!!!!!  |
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Post by trubble on May 15, 2009 13:28:59 GMT
er.. that's the question that's asked, swl. Before the results came in it asked who would you consider voting for..?
It wouldn't give me my results either. I said I'd consider the green party.
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Post by trubble on May 15, 2009 13:31:36 GMT
And the LibDems consistently voted against any kind of referendum about the Lisbon Treaty. In fact they're against all referendums. Exactly! So that's that questionnaire flawed - 'cos I want referenda on everything!!!!! There's democracy and then there's time wasting and money wasting and above all useslessivity. I like referendums but only once every couple of years. |
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Post by swl on May 15, 2009 13:35:30 GMT
I did my first TV interview yesterday. That was an eye-opener. I genuinely haven't a clue what I said, I was so nervous. All the mental rehearsals and everything went straight out the window. The upside of that is what I said was genuine, not carefully thought out and planned to attract as many voters as possible whilst alienating as few as possible. They put the camera literally 6 inches from your face. All you can see is the lens and all the bits strapped on around it. My hands were sweating and my knees were shaking so much I was worried the vibrations would shake the camera. I do remember calling politicians liars though. In fact, I might have repeated that once or twice.  Filming again next week. Hopefully it gets easier. |
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Post by swl on May 15, 2009 13:38:29 GMT
er.. that's the question that's asked, swl. Before the results came in it asked who would you consider voting for..? It wouldn't give me my results either. I said I'd consider the green party. I think the idea is you go in open-minded. Perhaps it's badly worded and should ask which party you would definately not consider voting for. It's actually interesting seeing the party's views on issues. Who knew UKIP thought the banking crisis was called by over-regulation? I know what you mean about some of the questions though. Iput "open-minded" at a few because the answers depend on several factors. |
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Post by Patrick on May 15, 2009 13:39:49 GMT
There's democracy and then there's time wasting and money wasting and above all useslessivity. I like referendums but only once every couple of years. I am very surprised it hasn't been made easier. We have the technology! We also of course have the counter technology to bugger up the technology! (If you see what I mean). Consider though how much attention Government's pay to rerenda? Unless it's something stupid like PAYG Road Pricing of course, I dare say it isn't that much. So why not have an even bigger red button on your TV control pad to convey your views on whatever whenever? The knobs in charge will always have their way anyway! |
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Post by riotgrrl on May 15, 2009 14:55:13 GMT
What is the point of doing a survey that matches your opinion with the stated position of the parties and then saying you would only consider voting one way before you see the results? That's exactly the closed-mindedness that sees people voting the same way their parents did. Unbelievable It's a ludicrous survey. It ignores the possibility of core beliefs that would underpin everything, even if you didn't agree with the specific policies of the party you believed in. If you believe that Scotland should be independent and have its own voice in the EU and the rest of the world, the rest of the questions become irrelevant. Who gives a shit what the SNP think about farm subsidies or animal experiments? It's not going to be a deal-breaker if you vote for them as the only vehicle capable of delivering on the core goals of your politics. |
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Post by trubble on May 15, 2009 15:17:52 GMT
I did my first TV interview yesterday. That was an eye-opener. I genuinely haven't a clue what I said, I was so nervous. All the mental rehearsals and everything went straight out the window. The upside of that is what I said was genuine, not carefully thought out and planned to attract as many voters as possible whilst alienating as few as possible. They put the camera literally 6 inches from your face. All you can see is the lens and all the bits strapped on around it. My hands were sweating and my knees were shaking so much I was worried the vibrations would shake the camera. I do remember calling politicians liars though. In fact, I might have repeated that once or twice. Filming again next week. Hopefully it gets easier. Of course it will get easier  What sort of make-up are you using? Max Factor and Mac are good choices. Bodgett has some good tips for lipstick colour. Not that I'm TV experienced but I have experienced the camera in your face sweats and knee knocking and they go after a few dozen times. You're great, swl. Saying politicians are liars will get you some votes. I bet you said it in a manly powerful voice, what do you think, everso? |
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Post by trubble on May 15, 2009 15:21:08 GMT
There's democracy and then there's time wasting and money wasting and above all useslessivity. I like referendums but only once every couple of years. I am very surprised it hasn't been made easier. We have the technology! We also of course have the counter technology to bugger up the technology! (If you see what I mean). Consider though how much attention Government's pay to rerenda? Unless it's something stupid like PAYG Road Pricing of course, I dare say it isn't that much. So why not have an even bigger red button on your TV control pad to convey your views on whatever whenever? The knobs in charge will always have their way anyway! I don't agree with people voting from the comfort of their armchairs or electronic voting. Only people who really care should vote. If you don't care enough to hike to a polling station, take a big pencil and write a cross on a piece of paper, you don't care about the issue and should shut up. A referendum is not an opinion poll, whether a politician cares or not is irrelevant. A referendum supercedes the politicians' vote. It's the people's vote and is binding. |
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Post by trubble on May 15, 2009 15:22:55 GMT
And the LibDems consistently voted against any kind of referendum about the Lisbon Treaty. In fact they're against all referendums. Are they? Why?  |
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Post by trubble on May 15, 2009 15:23:43 GMT
er.. that's the question that's asked, swl. Before the results came in it asked who would you consider voting for..? It wouldn't give me my results either. I said I'd consider the green party. I think the idea is you go in open-minded. Perhaps it's badly worded and should ask which party you would definately not consider voting for. It's actually interesting seeing the party's views on issues. Who knew UKIP thought the banking crisis was called by over-regulation? I know what you mean about some of the questions though. Iput "open-minded" at a few because the answers depend on several factors. I don't see the point of the party question unless it's a bit of sly market research. |
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Post by everso on May 15, 2009 16:02:16 GMT
I did my first TV interview yesterday. That was an eye-opener. I genuinely haven't a clue what I said, I was so nervous. All the mental rehearsals and everything went straight out the window. The upside of that is what I said was genuine, not carefully thought out and planned to attract as many voters as possible whilst alienating as few as possible. They put the camera literally 6 inches from your face. All you can see is the lens and all the bits strapped on around it. My hands were sweating and my knees were shaking so much I was worried the vibrations would shake the camera. I do remember calling politicians liars though. In fact, I might have repeated that once or twice. Filming again next week. Hopefully it gets easier. Of course it will get easier What sort of make-up are you using? Max Factor and Mac are good choices. Bodgett has some good tips for lipstick colour. Not that I'm TV experienced but I have experienced the camera in your face sweats and knee knocking and they go after a few dozen times. You're great, swl. Saying politicians are liars will get you some votes. I bet you said it in a manly powerful voice, what do you think, everso?No doubt about it. I think he should bare his chest next time. eversoshallow |
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Post by everso on May 15, 2009 16:04:23 GMT
I am very surprised it hasn't been made easier. We have the technology! We also of course have the counter technology to bugger up the technology! (If you see what I mean). Consider though how much attention Government's pay to rerenda? Unless it's something stupid like PAYG Road Pricing of course, I dare say it isn't that much. So why not have an even bigger red button on your TV control pad to convey your views on whatever whenever? The knobs in charge will always have their way anyway! I don't agree with people voting from the comfort of their armchairs or electronic voting. Only people who really care should vote. If you don't care enough to hike to a polling station, take a big pencil and write a cross on a piece of paper, you don't care about the issue and should shut up.A referendum is not an opinion poll, whether a politician cares or not is irrelevant. A referendum supercedes the politicians' vote. It's the people's vote and is binding. Frankly I feel strongly enough about it to say that if you don't vote you lose your vote. Our forefathers (and mothers) would be shocked to know that we can't be arsed to vote when they fought like tigers for the right. |
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Post by Patrick on May 15, 2009 21:20:21 GMT
Well! That's me told! All I'm saying that if you make voting more accessible you will get the lardarses off their backsides and voting! All right, maybe not off their physical backsides - but at least they will vote! Which is more than you can say for people at the moment! I take myself off to the polling station! The trouble is the only other person there is 94 year old Mrs Yeti-Goosecreecher and her mates who have hired a Wallace Arnold coach for the day. Make voting secure and accessible and you have 80% of the population voting and not the 28% that we have now.
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