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Post by everso on Jun 4, 2009 21:53:44 GMT
Jury Team for me.
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Post by swl on Jun 4, 2009 22:07:10 GMT
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Post by Patrick on Jun 4, 2009 22:19:51 GMT
Were I in Scotland - SWL would have been the man. I just didn't really like the Jury Team lot down my way really, so just went down the Green Route.
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Post by jean on Jun 4, 2009 22:24:52 GMT
I voted Green.
And worked quite hard persuading everyone else to, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2009 23:03:08 GMT
We noticed !
I voted UKIP because I want us to step back from the European super state which no-one has voted for .
The conservative teller at my polling station agreed with my discussion .
We had no locals here .
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Post by Patrick on Jun 4, 2009 23:11:31 GMT
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Post by housesparrow on Jun 5, 2009 6:02:33 GMT
I wish I had done a bit more research before I went along.
It probably wouldn't have made any difference to how I voted (green - Caroline Lucas is already an MEP) but I'd never heard of about half the groups on the paper. From their names I suspect they were duplicating one another, thus diluting their potential vote.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jun 5, 2009 7:13:40 GMT
SNP.
I don't think SWL's chances are that great. As well as the five main parties (I'm counting the Greens), there was UKIP, BNP, and at least 2 Socialist parties.
Those seeking to make a protest vote against the establishment had a wide range of choices.
But I'll tell you a story . . I was in a taxi last night and the driver told me he used to drive limos and he has spent many a weekend ferrying Michael Martin (former speaker)'s wife about Glasgow at taxpayers expense.
He hadn't voted, but if he had he would have voted Labour.
Go figure.
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Post by jean on Jun 5, 2009 7:22:13 GMT
I voted UKIP because I want us to step back from the European super state which no-one has voted for. But farmer - as I said on the local elections thread, there's no point in voting for UKIP for MEP since the decision to stay in Europe or get out or even have a referendum on it is one that can only be made at national govenrment level. But since we have a form of PR for the euroelections, a protest vote can have a great deal more siignificance than it ueually does. Less than 10% of the vote in the NW of England will see Nck Griffin an MEP. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 8:03:43 GMT
I voted UKIP because I want us to step back from the European super state which no-one has voted for. But farmer - as I said on the local elections thread, there's no point in voting for UKIP for MEP since the decision to stay in Europe or get out or even have a referendum on it is one that can only be made at national govenrment level. But since we have a form of PR for the euroelections, a protest vote can have a great deal more siignificance than it ueually does.
Less than 10% of the vote in the NW of England will see Nck Griffin an MEP. Exactly ! I voted UKIP ( which actually are eurosceptic tories ) to send a message to the con. party that they need to step back from europe . |
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Post by Patrick on Jun 5, 2009 8:39:31 GMT
I'd never heard of about half the groups on the paper. From their names I suspect they were duplicating one another, thus diluting their potential vote. SNP. I don't think SWL's chances are that great. As well as the five main parties (I'm counting the Greens), there was UKIP, BNP, and at least 2 Socialist parties. Those seeking to make a protest vote against the establishment had a wide range of choices. It was all a bit bonkers wasn't it? I think there were two BNP type clones - Two with "Liberal" in the title. It was rather silly. I'm disappointed that we didn't have the one called "Animals First" in our line up - they looked good for a laugh! There is room for other parties, but some of these splintered ones just take the proverbial really. |
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Post by swl on Jun 5, 2009 8:56:57 GMT
You've got to wonder about Socialists. If they can't run a party, how the hell are they ever going to run a country? They've got more splits than the Moulin Rouge.
And as for the Greens... ffs. I never heard a Green on the campaign trail say one word about the environment. They just aped the socialists, trying to get their votes. I spoke to real environmentalists who will have nothing to do with the Greens. Environmentalists have realised that Friends of the Earth & Greenpeace work far more effectively as pressure groups to influence government policy than the Green party.
How did I do? Who knows. Perhaps it was the act of doing that was important. Jury Team have had hundreds of applications from people who want to stand at the General Election. Maybe there's some amongst them who will do a better job than me.
Maybe someone here will be encouraged to make a stand now.
I do know that the next election is going to be FAR more interesting with independents standing all over the place.
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Post by Patrick on Jun 5, 2009 9:07:03 GMT
And as for the Greens... FPS!. I never heard a Green on the campaign trail say one word about the environment. They just aped the socialists, trying to get their votes. I spoke to real environmentalists who will have nothing to do with the Greens. Environmentalists have realised that Friends of the Earth & Greenpeace work far more effectively as pressure groups to influence government policy than the Green party.. I can go with that. At a National level they are all bluster and "If Only". At local level though (in my area) they work hard and have made a difference. They really, really need to get some co-ordination going though. Were FoE political I'd have probably voted for them too! |
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Post by trubble on Jun 5, 2009 9:18:42 GMT
Are there greens at national level in the UK?
Despite the Irish Green Party having shot itself in the foot and today it will probably get a beating from the electorate, our Greens have been very environmental policy centred in Europe. At local level that translates as bin-collections and sewerage and clean sea and incinerator discussions, cycle lanes and so on. At national level they have also attempted to make environmental policy their cornerstone but no party can efficiently function on one plank.
The Green Party is, by default, weak socialism rather than copying socialism. Any attempt to move away from socialism by the Green Party is disingenous.
The problem here with the Greens is that the party collects flotsam and jetsom as candidates. People see it as a soft, friendly party and join because they are too weak to create more rounded and militant policies or are looking for a non-descript seat where they can function as an independant but have party-power behind them. These individuals have wrecked a good movement that once had power in their protest and opposition position. I suspect it is the same in the UK.
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Post by Patrick on Jun 5, 2009 9:24:41 GMT
By National - I mean in the National Party.
How on Earth is is "socialism?"
I think they do have a problem when it comes to really big political stuff, and yes, it does water down into airy fairyness. BUT in a situation where they have a presence in a hung council - or - if we should ever get around to it - a Government voted in by PR then they can be a very effective conscience for the main power holders. It has worked extremely well with our City Council. The only detractors are the main partied who don't like the truth being hurled in their face by this upstart party. They don't like it up 'em - and the Greens - together with The Morecambe Bay Independents (also a sizeable presence in the City Council uptil now (as they have their own council to play with once again) Give them stick regularly.
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Post by alanseago on Jun 5, 2009 9:29:04 GMT
This is the only election in which I can participate so I walked across the road to the town hall and voted to give Tsarkozy's henchmen a clip up the ear.
If I could vote in the UK elections I would vote UKIP.
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Post by trubble on Jun 5, 2009 9:47:32 GMT
How did I do? Who knows. Perhaps it was the act of doing that was important. Jury Team have had hundreds of applications from people who want to stand at the General Election. Maybe there's some amongst them who will do a better job than me. Maybe someone here will be encouraged to make a stand now. I do know that the next election is going to be FAR more interesting with independents standing all over the place. I sincerely wish you the best of success, swl, and you have my utmost admiration for your stand and your contesting this at all because you're doing it for the right reasons; whatever way the votes fall, you have done the right thing by standing up for your beliefs. Now I'm going to be mean about independents standing in my area and hope I don't offend you. Upstart independents weaken and dilute the vote, the people's voice. They are usually pests and a waste of space. Even if they are contesting for the right reasons, they have demonstrated no real commitment or ability and we are expected to vote for them on the most spurious of reasons - their sweet talk and our blind faith, disillusionment and desperation. In our locals, we have a guy who has used 'the party is over' as his slogan and I can't find out if he is JuryTeam or not or if that's a coincidence. He has a number of issues listed as single words on his posters and in the past few years I have never seen nor heard even a comment from him about any of these issues, some of which I have been very involved in, never mind any action. I will be angry if he gets any substantial share of the votes. His campaign is over simplistic, he has no credentials to suggest he would have the first idea what to do in power and he is cashing in on the unrest in the country without attempting to prove his worth first. I am offended by his candidacy. Another indie is standing on a single issue - his poor treatment, as a businessman, from the government. I know him as a friend and he is a good man, I will probably throw him a loyalty vote somewhere down the line, but he will be virtually powerless without a party and will not be ready for the knives and tactics in the council and his main draw for me is that I think I could manipulate or bully or wear him down him into supporting any issue I chose to lobby for. Failing that I could blackmail him. ;D I am afraid, even though I like the ideal of breaking the party stranglehold, that I agree with Riot on this matter in general - party is strength and influence and action. Unless the independent can first prove his or her ability to combine and work with other independents to make a united force, or to be a rare maverick, or inspiration, then a party vote is the best way to achieve change and have a voice. Today I will vote for an independent - an ex-Green who has served as a rebel Green MEP for years - and then a virtual independent, a Socialist, who has a party behind him if not in power with him, and has proved his commitment and integrity in national govt. These votes out of desperation! I can't find anyone worthy of my 3rd preference. But I would not trust an unknown quantity. |
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Post by trubble on Jun 5, 2009 9:50:07 GMT
By National - I mean in the National Party. How on Earth is is "socialism?" I think they do have a problem when it comes to really big political stuff, and yes, it does water down into airy fairyness. BUT in a situation where they have a presence in a hung council - or - if we should ever get around to it - a Government voted in by PR then they can be a very effective conscience for the main power holders. It has worked extremely well with our City Council. The only detractors are the main partied who don't like the truth being hurled in their face by this upstart party. They don't like it up 'em - and the Greens - together with The Morecambe Bay Independents (also a sizeable presence in the City Council uptil now (as they have their own council to play with once again) Give them stick regularly. The Greens are mild left wing. They just are. What can I say? They are fluffy socialism. They are most effective at local level because their original aim as a party was to bring all power to local level. It's what they understand best. |
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Post by trubble on Jun 5, 2009 9:50:53 GMT
This is the only election in which I can participate so I walked across the road to the town hall and voted to give Tsarkozy's henchmen a clip up the ear. If I could vote in the UK elections I would vote UKIP. Violent voting.  It's the future. |
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Post by trubble on Jun 5, 2009 9:59:21 GMT
Less than 10% of the vote in the NW of England will see Nck Griffin an MEP. I hate that man and what he stands for and I am going to be devastated, angry and vengeful if he gets anywhere near legislating over me.  This is what I detest about European Government. You lot stick a weirdo in because of your domestics and that weirdo might have a say in my life.  |
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