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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 20, 2011 21:40:48 GMT
Obviously, you are allowed two votes in this one. One for the AV question, one for the Local (and other places) election question.
AH
(modified due to death threats from Scottish nationalists)
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 20, 2011 21:46:01 GMT
I voted yes to AV.
I'm not voting in the rest of your poll; we have the SCOTTISH GENERAL ELECTIN that day (not local elections) and I'm hoping we're going to RE-ELECT THE SNP . . which is not an option on your anglified poll!
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 20, 2011 22:05:14 GMT
The outer colonies of The Empire are perfectly well catered for with the "other" option - I suggest you use it young lady.  AH |
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Post by Weyland on Apr 21, 2011 7:11:18 GMT
I voted yes to AV. I'm not voting in the rest of your poll; we have the SCOTTISH GENERAL ELECTIN that day (not local elections) and I'm hoping we're going to RE-ELECT THE SNP . . which is not an option on your anglified poll! Help us in the southern colonies, Riot, pullleeease! Vote YES for AV! Clegg's almost total lack of integrity has made it oh so easy for the NO campaign. As Private Eye puts it so well, "Nick Clanger has a habit of dropping Cleggs". [Whoops. I thought you were referring to the actual Poll, and it was earlier in Scotland for some reason. I blame being on the wagon.] |
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Post by jean on Apr 21, 2011 8:51:40 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Apr 21, 2011 9:09:41 GMT
Postal vote!!!
Eeek, I'd better get it done.
yes to AV.
Don't have a vote otherwise, not in London.
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Post by swl on Apr 21, 2011 16:28:59 GMT
Surprisingly perhaps, I'd vote No to AV.
While I detest FPTP, AV is not the answer and it's not a step on the road to true PR.
If the Yes vote wins, nothing will really change and the campaign for genuine electoral reform will be dead for a generation. AV will "slightly" favour Labour, but not by much.
However, if the No vote succeeds along with constituency changes Labour are well and truly screwed. As Jack Straw put it "Equal sized constituencies will ensure Labour will never win another election".
In such a scenario, Labour will become an engine for change and could well see PR as their only hope of electoral success.
Although I despise Labour, I recognise that only the resources of a major party can make PR a possibility.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 21, 2011 18:16:11 GMT
Surprisingly perhaps, I'd vote No to AV. While I detest FPTP, AV is not the answer and it's not a step on the road to true PR. If the Yes vote wins, nothing will really change and the campaign for genuine electoral reform will be dead for a generation. AV will "slightly" favour Labour, but not by much. However, if the No vote succeeds along with constituency changes Labour are well and truly screwed. As Jack Straw put it "Equal sized constituencies will ensure Labour will never win another election". In such a scenario, Labour will become an engine for change and could well see PR as their only hope of electoral success. Although I despise Labour, I recognise that only the resources of a major party can make PR a possibility. You've just convinced me to possibly change my vote. I was going to vote for AV on the broad pro-pr general principle. But if it will shaft Labour more to vote 'no', I might vote no. My disrespect for a party that has sought to continually reduce the aspirations of the working class is unlimited. Not that I'm working class myself (obviously), but my bloke is and so is one of my daughters. |
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Post by Weyland on Apr 21, 2011 19:00:59 GMT
But if it will shaft Labour more to vote 'no', I might vote no. Please don't vote NO, Riot. I hate New Labour as much as you do, but we NEED a change. AV is not the answer, but it IS change. Please vote YES. Otherwise things can only get worse. The scum of the scum is in power now, and without change in the electoral system that's the way it will always stay. AV is a milestone on the way to proper democracy. |
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Post by Weyland on Apr 21, 2011 19:04:16 GMT
Who the feck's voting for UKIP here?
They're just the BNP crossed with John Redwood. Nutters, one and all.
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Post by alanseago on Apr 21, 2011 21:49:40 GMT
I am. An Englishman resident in France since 1974, I believe that if you do not wish to be a part of Europe, you should leave instead of hanging around complaining.
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Post by Weyland on Apr 21, 2011 22:02:32 GMT
I am. An Englishman resident in France since 1974, I believe that if you do not wish to be a part of Europe, you should leave instead of hanging around complaining. I guess that even the most frothing of Europhobes knows very well that that would be the last nail in the coffin Thatcher and her heirs have built. Yes, the rest of Europe would be better off without whingeing England [sic], but not England. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 21, 2011 22:13:48 GMT
Hey, as soon as a British government has the balls to offer the British people a vote on leaving the EU, believe me, we'll be gone.
AH
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Post by jean on Apr 21, 2011 22:24:04 GMT
There can't be two UKIP supporters on this board!
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Post by Weyland on Apr 21, 2011 22:37:43 GMT
Hey, as soon as a British government has the balls to offer the British people a vote on leaving the EU, believe me, we'll be gone. AH Such is England's [sic] tragedy. |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 21, 2011 22:37:11 GMT
I voted for UKIP simply because I never vote for main parties during local elections...don't want them getting comfy...oh, and I like the way Farage totally disrespects the EU parliament.  AH |
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 21, 2011 22:38:59 GMT
Hey, as soon as a British government has the balls to offer the British people a vote on leaving the EU, believe me, we'll be gone. AH Such is England's [sic] tragedy. Nah, believe me, it wouldn't be a tragedy, it would be liberating. AH |
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Post by Patrick on Apr 22, 2011 14:42:41 GMT
Find the whole AV thing depressing. Had a "No to.." leaflet through the other day and what a waste of print it was. Told me nothing apart from having a big picture of Nick Clegg on it - Which is probably more than enough for most folk. Not to mention the carving up of the Constituencies to suit the Tories all the more! The only fragment of hope in it - is that it will be a stepping stone to a better version of PR. Though, like SWL I'm sceptical.
Local news wise - the stitch up of the Indoor Market continues - rates are up this month and the place is haemorrhaging the remaining traders. As a lot of us very much suspected, the whole pretence of the Council "listening" was a complete sham - and meetings were held about meetings about when to have the next meeting - obviously in the hope that some other dodgy deal would happen in the end. I think the local Green Party is even in on it too so the whole lot can go to hell in a handcart as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by housesparrow on Apr 22, 2011 15:32:39 GMT
I'm getting a curious sense of being in some kind of time warp. How can I say how I voted when I haven't yet?
Or have I got the dates muddled again, and missed it?
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 22, 2011 16:31:41 GMT
I'm getting a curious sense of being in some kind of time warp. How can I say how I voted when I haven't yet? Or have I got the dates muddled again, and missed it? I switched to postal voting a few years ago, Housey, my AV/Local forms were delivered several days ago, and posted back off the day I posted this thread (which sort of prompted me to post the poll). AH |
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